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no reason about that sorcery whole

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town's on edge about it everyone that

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talk about well you can tell them all

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was just a withered no aliens in Fargo

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right now yeah that we know well without

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the clip from the new History Channel

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series Project Blue Book and although

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some claim that the series doesn't stick

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close enough to the real history of the

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US government's investigation into UFOs

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and ET I would suggest that it does a

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pretty good job of reminding us of that

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history and documenting that history

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because of course the problem is real

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science of this kind the kind that dr.

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Allen Hynek and Project Blue Book was

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trying to do is hard to come by we had

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involved in this we had a PC

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statistician involved dr. Russell scalp

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owned we had the advice of dr. Dean

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really a collaborative research effort

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with academics and researchers this is a

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total paradigm shift I don't care how

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much you've studied UFOs I don't care

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how on the cutting edge you think you

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are of conspiracy you all-news whatever

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what we're asking people to do is take

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that leap to say okay well then somebody

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has to study what's going on and here is

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a guy who studied it and he studied it

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scientifically and now let's talk about

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his findings and we're talking about

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fricken reptilians versus greys versus

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spirit beings and we're comparing and

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contrasting the percentage of people who

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said they had this kind of contact or

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that kind of contact so before I get on

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to this interview with the very

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excellent ray Hernandez who has nearly

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single-handedly created this entire

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movement of the scientific investigation

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of contact experiences and he's drawn to

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him some of the brightest and most

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important advanced thinkers we have of

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our time I just can't say enough about

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what he's done and about what he reveals

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in this interview but before we get to

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that interview and my poking at ray

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which you got to know I'm going to do

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let me return to the Project Blue Book

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clip because there's another interesting

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little point from that scene that

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relates to today's interview so he likes

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on the game would have given off

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approximately 50,000 women on a clear

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night 5,000 feet that would diffuse to

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approximately on hunting taking the

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fraction when currents cone-shaped what

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did you just put on that song what then

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your notes you said that fuller said a

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song that song told him that he was in

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danger and you just put it on because

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one of the findings from Ray's work and

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a messy finding it is is that the UFO et

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all that which we call paranormal these

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were overwhelmingly positive experiences

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number two it resulted in a positive

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three and four is that these experiences

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primarily paranormal that was number

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experiences involve a manipulation of

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space-time stick around I have a great

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today's guests Rey Hernandez heads an

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organization and I've been trying to

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think how to say this but there's really

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no other way because Rey Hernandez is

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free organization is doing some of the

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most important research in the world

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period I mean when you get a group of

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nature of and implications of our

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ongoing contact with highly advanced

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non-human intelligence what most people

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call et and in a minute Ray's gonna go

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even way beyond that but when you even

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have that what is more important than

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that and you know I want to kind of

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frame this up and I was just chatting

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it's kind of strange you know I think

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your hanger-on doubter friends forget

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that this has been disclosed the reality

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of this New York Times CBS News Fox News

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as I was just chatting to Ray about what

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why am I not battling for air time with

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guy whose it has a public group with top

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scientists that's researching this stuff

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gonna talk about today is uncomfortable

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really want to do is get in this

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conversation with this remarkable guy

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ray Hernandez who by the way is still a

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degree from Cornell working on his PhD

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from Berkeley in the spirit in his spare

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author of amazing super important book

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beyond UFOs the science of consciousness

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and contact with non-human intelligence

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ray it is absolutely terrific to have

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you back on it's been a couple years

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skeptical and joining me thank you for

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that wonderful introduction Alex and I

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Jeffrey Mishlove to get my my training

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my chops on consciousness research

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paranormal experiences that I was having

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interviews over the many years and and

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experience began in April of 2012 so

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intelligence that I've been interacting

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Edgar Mitchell as well and Rudy shields

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we would go is back to that 2012 story

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because it is an amazing account I think

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it sets the stage for so many launching

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off points that we could have and it's

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like into spirituality or none of the

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UFOs you know any of this stuff you're

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just a guy successful guy and tell that

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her body and so we knew you know she had

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limited time to be with us but she was

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like our daughter our first child and so

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my wife and I dr. Phil Cruz and he I

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described what the symptoms and she said

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an angelic intervention so she knelt

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my beauty rest she ran upstairs and she

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everyone she disappeared and the dog

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disappeared and then immediately some

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consciousness I didn't care that my wife

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just see this small portion of our

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living room and they're floating four

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this is what she got me up for for this

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for this junk you know and then I turned

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now fully conscious and I was like what

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you know what and I ran down the stairs

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hallelujah hallelujah the Angels hear

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the angels cured and so to me it was

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six months later that what she had was

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missing time those 45 minutes that she

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gone she had no recollection that they

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were gone to her was like she had gone

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down the stairs she looked down the dog

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was running around she started to

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celebrate but it was 45 minutes because

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I had looked at them at the clock and so

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it was different stories different you

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know perceptions of what we both saw

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because we both were not there when we

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initially saw what we saw

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and then bewilderment it was chaos it

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was like mind blowing and then after

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that I thought was paranormal related

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and so I spent several months going to

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the Internet thinking was paranormal but

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then she had also told me in Spanish say

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parasya communal Navi pequeña which

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translate it almost appeared to be like

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a little small craft so then I said you

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know well UFOs are supposed to be

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outside it's must be huge this thing

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can't be a UFO but let me type in UFO to

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see what I can learn about it and so for

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the next two months that's all I did six

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to eight hours a day researching

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paranormal UFO and nothing on the

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Internet supported what had happened to

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my wife and I and then two months later

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the door woke my wife up at 3:30 in the

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morning my wife then went downstairs and

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opened the back door but the dog didn't

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want to go to the back door she was

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jumping on the front door and then after

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about a minute she looked up and there

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was a huge gigantic craft or a UFO or

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UAP we prefer the term UAP unidentified

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aerial phenomenon because most of the

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time what people see are not physical

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crafts quote-unquote it's all types of

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um of light configurations and energy

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configurations in in the sky so anyway

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so when I woke up that morning she says

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oh my angels came and visited me last

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night they came in a beautiful angelic

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craft that had stained-glass windows

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just like our church and I'll say what

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you saw an angel described it then she

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described it and then she I asked to

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redraw it I said what you saw was a UFO

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she goes oh you wouldn't understand

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because you're an atheist you know was

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at that point that I said oh my

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god this is ufo-related you know and so

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then it was you know heavy duty UFO on

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the internet and then about a month and

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a half later this is a early June

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my wife went down to Mexico she spent an

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entire month with my daughter and stayed

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with family members and multiple times

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about four times she called down her

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angels to be praying and wanting to see

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the angels that had interacted with her

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and each time a big UFO would show up

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and one time it stopped Airport traffic

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in Veracruz Airport and it's all

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documented in the newspapers and it was

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even a TV interview on the local TV and

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our cruise that I was able to pull up

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and and the man that was going to go to

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her brother's are actually her nieces

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baptism party that Sunday right after

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that a UFO aircraft over Veracruz

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Airport he was one of those people that

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was stuck going around Veracruz and he

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said everybody in the plane was taking

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videos of the UFO and he was showing the

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video in that the baptism party and so

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and then my wife also saw these three

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very tall beings she described them as

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eight a seven to eight feet tall dressed

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in white monk's robes they didn't look

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completely human they had like a bald

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head different facial features but she

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couldn't tell what it was because she

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was seeing it sideways and she couldn't

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fully tell what it was their face looked

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like but they floated in front of her

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about a foot off the ground for about

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twenty seconds and then they disappeared

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and then my wife when she got back home

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she was having all these paranormal

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experiences especially precognition and

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I won't go into those details because

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there was so many of them and then in

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August roughly six months after that

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initial experience in the living room I

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for the first time ever purposely tried

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to call down the intelligence that my

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wife had been interacting with and this

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is in the evening in August of

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mid-august I think it was and it

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appeared this huge gigantic object

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appeared the size of a football stadium

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right on top of my next-door neighbor's

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house 30 feet the bottom of the crowd of

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this object was less than 30 feet away

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from us and my daughter wound up seeing

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it and three adult friends and there was

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telepathic communication that took place

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really you know some crazy stuff and and

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that it was after that experience that

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it began for me two years of non-stop

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paranormal experiences that really

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lasted two years and and even let the

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formation of free over a two-day period

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as well let's put a pause right there

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pause mark cuz I want to talk about the

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free organization but I want to go back

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to how I started this show because it

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sounded like hype folks

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it sounded like hype most important

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research in the world it's not hype if

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this is real if this guy this attorney

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from Miami who spent this is 2012 who

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spent the last seven years of his life

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creating this incredibly relevant and

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important organization that everyone

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points to this free organization Harvard

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PhDs a dozen PhDs from around the world

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all drawn to it all saying mr. Hernandez

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what you're doing is so important

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validated by peer-reviewed journals all

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that stuff has happened from one guy who

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had these extraordinary experiences

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similar experiences to what thousands of

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other people have reported similar

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experiences to what has now been

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disclosed and is emitted - how is this

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not the most important topic in the

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world Ray's going to talk about our

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relationship to the phenomenon or the

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phenomena that is out there but I like

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to keep it in simpler terms since this

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is what we've been programmed to think

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of ETS and UFOs so that's the term I use

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because that's where we've been

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programmed how is not our relationship

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with this super advanced intelligence

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that has this ability to manipulate

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consciousness as Ray's talking about in

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a way that we don't understand how is

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that not topic number one and before you

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get on to the free organization

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I did want to highlight a couple of

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points from your experience but I did

429
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think it might be interesting if we

430
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could to recap some important points

431
00:20:01,630 --> 00:19:57,740
from that first experience right because

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so many things that people hear and then

433
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you encapsulate them off multiple

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witnesses healing again a spiritual

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dimension to it after-effects so you

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have this experience and then long after

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your wife starts having these advanced

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consciousness experiences telepathy

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precognition all the rest of stuff you

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do too and then you have this crazy

441
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memory screening thing where someone

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some thing some entity some intelligence

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is taking over your brain I love that

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part of the story that you walk down

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it's the most extraordinary experience

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00:20:39,580 --> 00:20:36,680
in your life and your brain clicks in

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and goes oh this is I need to

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go back upstairs and go to sleep so

449
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these are some of the elements to this

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that are there and then drive you later

451
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on to start trying to put your arms

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around this in a scientific way and

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that's what you've done with this free

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organization so I know we're covering

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ground that's been covered before but I

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just feel like we have to start here

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because otherwise it all just sounds

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like inside baseball crap to people that

459
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they can't follow so you were just about

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to say that there's this amazing set of

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coincidences that lead you to found this

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00:21:21,430 --> 00:21:20,000
free organization but so tell that story

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however you want but I almost feel like

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we need to jump to the end of what free

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is today the books it's publishing the

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respect it's getting the importance it's

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seeing not only when the inside the UFO

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community but wink and a nod a lot of

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people in the scientific community are

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looking over going hey you know this is

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really important stuff so tell us about

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the free realization the free

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organization from my perspective was

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orchestrated by non-human intelligence

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it was literally set up within a two day

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period I don't want to go into all the

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details of how it was formed

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it's in a book in the preface that I

479
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wrote to our book beyond UFOs but just a

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synopsis of it I was driving down a

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major thoroughfare in Miami Florida

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middle of a traffic jam going into

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downtown Miami at 8:30 in the morning

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and then listening to this radio

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interview of this man doing a

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documentary on art fat which came from

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his own liposuction and so I was

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listening to this thing and I was you

489
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know I was fascinated by it

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all of a sudden I'm I'm not in my car

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anymore I have nobody I'm just mind it's

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just pure mind and um little by little

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I'm inside this huge spinning wheel and

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the wheel becomes materialized and then

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I see spokes it's like if you could

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imagine you're inside a huge ferris

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wheel that's like ten times the size of

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a ferris wheel you're at the fulcrum in

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the center of it and you're looking out

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and it's spinning around slowly and then

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each of the different spokes has a video

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and one video was UFO contact

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experiences another was near-death

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experiences and other words out-of-body

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experiences another one communication

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would ghost his spirits another one had

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remote viewing another one with shamanic

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journeys etc etc etc all the different

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ways that humans are piercing the wheel

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and having contact with non-human

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intelligence and then it wasn't the

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voice it was pure information that

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informed me that humans are approaching

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all these different ways that they're

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communicating with them and they said

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them whatever them is and a separate and

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distinct phenomenon but in fact it's all

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one phenomenon and they said and the key

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to be able to understand it humans are

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calling it consciousness but in fact

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it's the fabric of our reality and then

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it gave me instructions of what I needed

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00:24:02,760 --> 00:23:59,350
to do and again it wasn't a voice it was

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just straight information and it said I

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need to inform humanity of the

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relationship between them the spirit

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world and consciousness

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what is that relationship and as this

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00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:15,970
information was being put into my

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consciousness I had no idea what they're

531
00:24:23,730 --> 00:24:21,550
talking about you know what this was can

532
00:24:26,730 --> 00:24:23,740
I ask a quick question there ray because

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00:24:28,710 --> 00:24:26,740
when you say them was it and this is

534
00:24:30,540 --> 00:24:28,720
gonna freak people out but who cares we

535
00:24:34,049 --> 00:24:30,550
have to just kind of deal with it is it

536
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:34,059
a voice now from an entity is it just a

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knowing kind of absorbing into your mind

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is it happening in a flash and immediate

539
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download is it an ongoing kind of like

540
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normal conversation if you will in terms

541
00:24:50,070 --> 00:24:48,190
of timeline any details that would help

542
00:24:52,380 --> 00:24:50,080
it was outside of you know definitely

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space-time it was outside of space and

544
00:24:56,790 --> 00:24:54,429
outside of time because when I was

545
00:24:59,100 --> 00:24:56,800
returned that interview that I was

546
00:25:01,830 --> 00:24:59,110
listening to did not skip a beat you

547
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:01,840
know was there was not a second that had

548
00:25:11,490 --> 00:25:05,890
gone by with that interview back typing

549
00:25:13,770 --> 00:25:11,500
section art yes and as a matter of fact

550
00:25:16,169 --> 00:25:13,780
someone doubted me and he did the

551
00:25:18,690 --> 00:25:16,179
research and he found that date that

552
00:25:20,310 --> 00:25:18,700
interview on public radio here in Miami

553
00:25:22,860 --> 00:25:20,320
about this man being interviewed for

554
00:25:24,270 --> 00:25:22,870
that and he showed me the link he says

555
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:24,280
you know ray I doubted you but you were

556
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:27,250
right and so but it seemed like it was

557
00:25:31,830 --> 00:25:29,890
about twenty to thirty minutes that I

558
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:31,840
was having this type of experience and

559
00:25:36,750 --> 00:25:34,690
in terms of it wasn't a voice it's

560
00:25:39,090 --> 00:25:36,760
difficult to describe Alex it's it's

561
00:25:42,060 --> 00:25:39,100
what it is is I guess it's like people

562
00:25:44,730 --> 00:25:42,070
that do like mystical meditation and get

563
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:44,740
like downloads of information like

564
00:25:47,250 --> 00:25:46,570
knowingness but it was much more

565
00:25:49,980 --> 00:25:47,260
tangible

566
00:25:52,590 --> 00:25:49,990
it wasn't like so abstract it was like

567
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:52,600
someone was putting these thoughts in

568
00:25:57,090 --> 00:25:54,970
your brain without a voice you know

569
00:25:59,180 --> 00:25:57,100
there's no words to describe it I guess

570
00:26:03,330 --> 00:25:59,190
it's like an NDE a near-death experience

571
00:26:06,180 --> 00:26:03,340
when this being identified as God speaks

572
00:26:07,620 --> 00:26:06,190
to the dead person you know and they're

573
00:26:10,650 --> 00:26:07,630
getting a life review and they're

574
00:26:12,660 --> 00:26:10,660
getting instructions and from from

575
00:26:16,110 --> 00:26:12,670
quote-unquote God from this are high

576
00:26:18,659 --> 00:26:16,120
level intelligence they don't describe

577
00:26:20,460 --> 00:26:18,669
it as a voice they just describe it it's

578
00:26:22,740 --> 00:26:20,470
just like an instant knowingness instant

579
00:26:23,010 --> 00:26:22,750
information so I would describe it to

580
00:26:26,370 --> 00:26:23,020
say

581
00:26:29,130 --> 00:26:26,380
way and so they said this is not about

582
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:29,140
you getting rich and secondly the the

583
00:26:34,110 --> 00:26:31,090
people you need gonna need help and

584
00:26:37,500 --> 00:26:34,120
there's one criteria for that you have

585
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:37,510
to identify people with minimal ego so

586
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:39,610
once it said that boom I was back in my

587
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:43,410
car and I was freaking out okay and then

588
00:26:48,810 --> 00:26:46,090
you know just totally bewildered you

589
00:26:50,610 --> 00:26:48,820
know I was freaking out and then later

590
00:26:53,580 --> 00:26:50,620
that afternoon I got an email from Mary

591
00:26:56,010 --> 00:26:53,590
rod well six months earlier I had sent

592
00:26:58,950 --> 00:26:56,020
an email to like 10 very famous names of

593
00:27:00,030 --> 00:26:58,960
people in ufology wanting someone to

594
00:27:02,820 --> 00:27:00,040
talk to

595
00:27:05,460 --> 00:27:02,830
Whitley Schreiber our grant Cameron Stan

596
00:27:08,730 --> 00:27:05,470
Friedman you know Mary rod will Kathy

597
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:08,740
Martin etc etc these big names in

598
00:27:13,350 --> 00:27:10,690
ufology because I wanted someone to talk

599
00:27:15,990 --> 00:27:13,360
to I had no one to communicate with and

600
00:27:17,670 --> 00:27:16,000
so Mary had responded and she says dear

601
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:17,680
ray I'm not sorry I'm responding to an

602
00:27:21,450 --> 00:27:18,850
email that you had sent me six months

603
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:21,460
ago but it's just six months ago and it

604
00:27:28,530 --> 00:27:25,930
arrives the day after or the day of your

605
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:28,540
download experience I mean again we can

606
00:27:32,730 --> 00:27:30,210
just kind of breeze past that as

607
00:27:35,100 --> 00:27:32,740
coincidence coincidence coincidence but

608
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:35,110
it was held up in cyberspace and you

609
00:27:39,900 --> 00:27:37,330
could ask Mary Rodwell if you ever do

610
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:39,910
interview her again ask her that

611
00:27:44,550 --> 00:27:42,490
question and she'll verify it and so

612
00:27:46,530 --> 00:27:44,560
then she showed me how to use Skype I

613
00:27:48,690 --> 00:27:46,540
had never used Skype and we were on

614
00:27:51,180 --> 00:27:48,700
skype to like 1:30 in the morning

615
00:27:53,310 --> 00:27:51,190
and then I had told her Mary I need to

616
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:53,320
go to sleep I got work tomorrow and then

617
00:27:56,970 --> 00:27:54,610
the very next day I got a phone call

618
00:28:00,720 --> 00:27:56,980
hello this is Ray Hernandez yes who's

619
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:00,730
this dr. Rudy shields who had no idea

620
00:28:03,300 --> 00:28:01,450
who this man was

621
00:28:04,940 --> 00:28:03,310
he's an emeritus professor of

622
00:28:07,770 --> 00:28:04,950
astrophysics from Harvard University

623
00:28:10,830 --> 00:28:07,780
very dear friend of the late dr. John

624
00:28:14,670 --> 00:28:10,840
Mack very very dear friend of the late

625
00:28:16,620 --> 00:28:14,680
Edgar Mitchell and and he is like a

626
00:28:20,130 --> 00:28:16,630
Stephen Hawking's type of person I mean

627
00:28:22,110 --> 00:28:20,140
his expertise is black holes and had

628
00:28:23,940 --> 00:28:22,120
been a member of the astrophysics

629
00:28:26,220 --> 00:28:23,950
department at Harvard for more than 40

630
00:28:28,230 --> 00:28:26,230
years so here's this man giving me a

631
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:28,240
call at 9:30 in the morning the day

632
00:28:32,550 --> 00:28:30,970
after my experience and what had

633
00:28:34,590 --> 00:28:32,560
happened was that Mary had jumped the

634
00:28:37,060 --> 00:28:34,600
gun she had sent him my experience

635
00:28:38,710 --> 00:28:37,070
because I also had physics download

636
00:28:40,420 --> 00:28:38,720
and it was a download about

637
00:28:43,810 --> 00:28:40,430
consciousness how it works how it

638
00:28:46,300 --> 00:28:43,820
operates and so Rudy got the email from

639
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:46,310
Mary but I didn't have time to read the

640
00:28:50,350 --> 00:28:48,530
email that Mary had sent me asking for

641
00:28:53,290 --> 00:28:50,360
my permission for her to send that

642
00:28:55,780 --> 00:28:53,300
information and so Rudy just immediately

643
00:28:58,480 --> 00:28:55,790
gave me a call and at that point he was

644
00:29:01,090 --> 00:28:58,490
like blown away he says ray the

645
00:29:02,890 --> 00:29:01,100
information that you received is Edgar

646
00:29:05,010 --> 00:29:02,900
Mitchell's quantum hologram theory of

647
00:29:08,890 --> 00:29:05,020
consciousness of how it operates and

648
00:29:11,380 --> 00:29:08,900
Edgar always speculated that what Rudy

649
00:29:13,300 --> 00:29:11,390
called the modern miracles and Edgar

650
00:29:15,970 --> 00:29:13,310
also called the modern miracles that

651
00:29:18,150 --> 00:29:15,980
they're all interrelated and then he

652
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:18,160
told me that he also you know

653
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:20,690
hypothesizes this as well the

654
00:29:25,090 --> 00:29:22,730
information that was given to me but he

655
00:29:26,710 --> 00:29:25,100
said I was given it very directly so

656
00:29:28,330 --> 00:29:26,720
then he started talking about Edgar

657
00:29:30,340 --> 00:29:28,340
Mitchell's quantum hologram theory of

658
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:30,350
consciousness which is a physics-based

659
00:29:36,250 --> 00:29:33,530
theory of information how information

660
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:36,260
works with our consciousness our brain

661
00:29:41,140 --> 00:29:38,450
and and the information fields of our

662
00:29:44,410 --> 00:29:41,150
reality and very very detailed and

663
00:29:46,180 --> 00:29:44,420
complex and then towards the end he said

664
00:29:48,010 --> 00:29:46,190
look ray I want to help you out you were

665
00:29:50,470 --> 00:29:48,020
given a clear mission I will be a

666
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:50,480
scientific adviser but it's important

667
00:29:54,010 --> 00:29:52,010
that you write down this telephone

668
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:54,020
number and I wrote it down and he says

669
00:29:58,420 --> 00:29:55,730
did the telephone number of my mentor I

670
00:30:01,030 --> 00:29:58,430
said was who's your mentor he goes Edgar

671
00:30:02,650 --> 00:30:01,040
Mitchell and so I was like blown away

672
00:30:04,990 --> 00:30:02,660
because I knew who had give me a was and

673
00:30:05,530 --> 00:30:05,000
so I waited like four hours to give him

674
00:30:08,050 --> 00:30:05,540
a call

675
00:30:10,660 --> 00:30:08,060
Edgar Mitchell just for those who you

676
00:30:14,380 --> 00:30:10,670
know astronaut I think like sixth guy to

677
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:14,390
walk on the moon which nowadays younger

678
00:30:18,220 --> 00:30:16,490
people can't process that but like I was

679
00:30:21,580 --> 00:30:18,230
just telling my kids the other day this

680
00:30:24,190 --> 00:30:21,590
is like rock star superstar athlete most

681
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:24,200
important sexy Hollywood guy in the

682
00:30:30,010 --> 00:30:26,650
world that's what an astronaut was and

683
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:30,020
then this guy goes and does that he's

684
00:30:33,190 --> 00:30:31,490
not one of the first guys but he's the

685
00:30:35,950 --> 00:30:33,200
sixth guy it just like super work and

686
00:30:39,130 --> 00:30:35,960
then he goes on and he has this epiphany

687
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:39,140
on the way back and it leads him to

688
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:40,930
dedicate the rest of his life to

689
00:30:46,060 --> 00:30:43,010
understanding again what were broadly

690
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:46,070
calling consciousness here and that's

691
00:30:50,630 --> 00:30:49,250
okay and then he starts the ion group

692
00:30:52,789 --> 00:30:50,640
you know ions

693
00:30:55,220 --> 00:30:52,799
who knows it too for noetic sciences

694
00:30:57,190 --> 00:30:55,230
Dean Radin everybody knows we've talked

695
00:30:59,390 --> 00:30:57,200
to so many of those people forefront

696
00:31:01,669 --> 00:30:59,400
parapsychology research all the rest of

697
00:31:05,390 --> 00:31:01,679
that so please continue with the story

698
00:31:07,250 --> 00:31:05,400
but that's who that guy is or was he

699
00:31:09,940 --> 00:31:07,260
just passed away a couple years ago or a

700
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:09,950
year ago yeah about in February of

701
00:31:14,950 --> 00:31:12,330
almost three years ago I think it is was

702
00:31:17,750 --> 00:31:14,960
and just for your audience members

703
00:31:20,390 --> 00:31:17,760
Edgar is also known as the father of the

704
00:31:23,060 --> 00:31:20,400
modern UFO disclosure movement because

705
00:31:26,630 --> 00:31:23,070
he was the most prominent astronaut that

706
00:31:28,850 --> 00:31:26,640
was out open talking about UFOs that

707
00:31:30,850 --> 00:31:28,860
they exist and he's appeared in numerous

708
00:31:33,740 --> 00:31:30,860
conferences over the years it's gone

709
00:31:36,110 --> 00:31:33,750
numerous interviews so he pretty much is

710
00:31:38,659 --> 00:31:36,120
the the father of the UFO disclosure

711
00:31:42,220 --> 00:31:38,669
movement but more importantly I think he

712
00:31:45,110 --> 00:31:42,230
should be known as the father of modern

713
00:31:47,510 --> 00:31:45,120
consciousness research he laid the

714
00:31:50,270 --> 00:31:47,520
foundation for what Dean Radin is doing

715
00:31:52,750 --> 00:31:50,280
today and he was a brilliant man very

716
00:31:55,539 --> 00:31:52,760
very loving and kind he also did videos

717
00:31:58,280 --> 00:31:55,549
about how we're destroying our planet

718
00:32:00,080 --> 00:31:58,290
also about spirituality that we need to

719
00:32:02,870 --> 00:32:00,090
become more spiritual

720
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:02,880
Edgar really was the full package so

721
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:05,730
again if you do interview Rudy shields

722
00:32:10,460 --> 00:32:08,010
dr. Rudy shields ask him about what I

723
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:10,470
just told you I said look Rudy ray just

724
00:32:16,159 --> 00:32:13,410
told me this crazy story is this true

725
00:32:18,260 --> 00:32:16,169
and you'll see he'll back it up and then

726
00:32:20,270 --> 00:32:18,270
you could have also asked Edgar but

727
00:32:22,220 --> 00:32:20,280
Edgar's passed away so what happened was

728
00:32:24,620 --> 00:32:22,230
I worked up the courage four hours later

729
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:24,630
after I hung up with Rudy to give Edgar

730
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:26,330
called it was about three o'clock or so

731
00:32:31,490 --> 00:32:29,250
and then he told me that he and Rudy had

732
00:32:34,220 --> 00:32:31,500
a very lengthy conversation shortly

733
00:32:37,100 --> 00:32:34,230
after I spoke with Rudy and Edgar was

734
00:32:39,950 --> 00:32:37,110
definitely intrigued and he says ray

735
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:39,960
what are you doing tomorrow I said well

736
00:32:43,100 --> 00:32:41,490
you know I'm just working I don't have

737
00:32:44,870 --> 00:32:43,110
any set plans he said would it be

738
00:32:46,940 --> 00:32:44,880
possible for you come to my place at 10

739
00:32:49,100 --> 00:32:46,950
o'clock I said well where you located he

740
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:49,110
says Lake Worth Florida which is 90

741
00:32:52,909 --> 00:32:49,770
minutes away

742
00:32:55,970 --> 00:32:52,919
I said sure would be an honor so we set

743
00:32:57,590 --> 00:32:55,980
a time for me to go to his house so mind

744
00:32:59,240 --> 00:32:57,600
you now this is two days after my

745
00:33:01,430 --> 00:32:59,250
experience I would I was at Edgar

746
00:33:03,290 --> 00:33:01,440
Mitchell's house and I was there like

747
00:33:04,460 --> 00:33:03,300
for six hours I won't give you the

748
00:33:07,130 --> 00:33:04,470
details of what

749
00:33:10,010 --> 00:33:07,140
place there but basically Edgar told me

750
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:10,020
his whole life he told me about how all

751
00:33:14,260 --> 00:33:11,850
the astronauts and the cosmonauts were

752
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:14,270
having paranormal experiences in space

753
00:33:21,260 --> 00:33:17,610
he told me about his experiences but he

754
00:33:23,180 --> 00:33:21,270
never saw UFO but he one thing that I

755
00:33:25,970 --> 00:33:23,190
realized was that Edgar has been

756
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:25,980
speaking with so many different contact

757
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:29,010
experiences people that are that it had

758
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:32,610
in DES Opie's UFO contact experiences

759
00:33:37,399 --> 00:33:35,610
edgar knew the full gambit and the

760
00:33:40,070 --> 00:33:37,409
interrelationship of these experiences

761
00:33:41,450 --> 00:33:40,080
and so he said look right Rudi and I

762
00:33:44,299 --> 00:33:41,460
already discussed it we will be your

763
00:33:46,669 --> 00:33:44,309
scientific advisors for whatever you

764
00:33:49,460 --> 00:33:46,679
decide to do and I said but Edgar I

765
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:49,470
haven't even thought about what mission

766
00:33:53,870 --> 00:33:50,970
I was given you know let alone what I'm

767
00:33:55,279 --> 00:33:53,880
gonna be doing and he says don't worry

768
00:33:58,279 --> 00:33:55,289
ray it'll come to you

769
00:34:00,620 --> 00:33:58,289
it always works that way and to me I was

770
00:34:02,690 --> 00:34:00,630
like perplexed I mean look what this man

771
00:34:04,850 --> 00:34:02,700
is saying you know it'll come to you it

772
00:34:06,140 --> 00:34:04,860
always works that way it was like he was

773
00:34:10,339 --> 00:34:06,150
speaking in riddles

774
00:34:11,990 --> 00:34:10,349
you know and finally what happened was

775
00:34:14,329 --> 00:34:12,000
that Edgar had been working with so many

776
00:34:17,629 --> 00:34:14,339
experiences Edgar had been involved in

777
00:34:21,589 --> 00:34:17,639
the paranormal world for so long that he

778
00:34:24,980 --> 00:34:21,599
knew how you know synchronicities a take

779
00:34:27,950 --> 00:34:24,990
place and downloads and and how the

780
00:34:30,919 --> 00:34:27,960
orchestration takes place with non-human

781
00:34:33,109 --> 00:34:30,929
intelligence so then I called Mary later

782
00:34:34,940 --> 00:34:33,119
on we had a Skype call and I told her

783
00:34:36,139 --> 00:34:34,950
what had happened with routing what had

784
00:34:38,570 --> 00:34:36,149
happened with that girl and I said would

785
00:34:40,490 --> 00:34:38,580
you like to join us so two days after

786
00:34:42,649 --> 00:34:40,500
that initial experience that out-of-body

787
00:34:44,329 --> 00:34:42,659
experience where I was taking I was

788
00:34:47,690 --> 00:34:44,339
taken to that what I now call a matrix

789
00:34:51,950 --> 00:34:47,700
reality the free organization was born

790
00:34:54,349 --> 00:34:51,960
great so ray since we did start at the

791
00:34:58,010 --> 00:34:54,359
beginning we're gonna be weighted down

792
00:34:59,690 --> 00:34:58,020
with kind of covering stuff that you've

793
00:35:01,579 --> 00:34:59,700
covered a million times and you probably

794
00:35:04,099 --> 00:35:01,589
get tired of talking about but I think

795
00:35:08,470 --> 00:35:04,109
we're on a roll here of trying to create

796
00:35:10,700 --> 00:35:08,480
this completed picture of this just so

797
00:35:13,670 --> 00:35:10,710
important history fundamentally

798
00:35:17,180 --> 00:35:13,680
important history so one of the really

799
00:35:18,140 --> 00:35:17,190
important things that you decide to

800
00:35:21,500 --> 00:35:18,150
undertake

801
00:35:24,830 --> 00:35:21,510
as part of this free organization is you

802
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:24,840
say throw science at it throw science at

803
00:35:29,650 --> 00:35:26,850
it well the first thing you do that is

804
00:35:32,540 --> 00:35:29,660
truly unique and it doesn't sound

805
00:35:34,610 --> 00:35:32,550
remarkable at this point but if we look

806
00:35:36,650 --> 00:35:34,620
back even a little bit in this history

807
00:35:39,350 --> 00:35:36,660
and I'm gonna keep using the term UFO

808
00:35:40,490 --> 00:35:39,360
and ET people because I don't like the

809
00:35:42,170 --> 00:35:40,500
other terms because you know what they

810
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:42,180
mean but when we look at the history of

811
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:45,810
the UFO thing the shift you made is to

812
00:35:53,570 --> 00:35:49,650
say hey everyone's talking about landing

813
00:35:56,780 --> 00:35:53,580
sites nuts and bolts propulsion why

814
00:35:59,240 --> 00:35:56,790
don't we talk about experiencers why

815
00:36:02,480 --> 00:35:59,250
don't we talk about the experience that

816
00:36:04,790 --> 00:36:02,490
people have had huge shift right huge

817
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:04,800
huge shift and then the second thing you

818
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:08,090
do is you say okay let's throw some

819
00:36:14,330 --> 00:36:11,850
science at it because again the folks

820
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:14,340
who like to kind of hold onto the reins

821
00:36:19,250 --> 00:36:17,010
of mainstream science and misdirect us

822
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:19,260
and misguide us will tell you that human

823
00:36:24,380 --> 00:36:21,210
experience cannot be studied

824
00:36:26,750 --> 00:36:24,390
scientifically but anyone knows that

825
00:36:29,570 --> 00:36:26,760
that's of course nonsense of course any

826
00:36:32,300 --> 00:36:29,580
discussion of pain every pain medication

827
00:36:33,890 --> 00:36:32,310
depression all these things are human

828
00:36:36,170 --> 00:36:33,900
experiences that we've studied

829
00:36:37,450 --> 00:36:36,180
scientifically for the longest time and

830
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:37,460
we have billions of dollars of

831
00:36:41,390 --> 00:36:39,690
pharmaceutical companies that study all

832
00:36:44,390 --> 00:36:41,400
that whether they're good or bad believe

833
00:36:49,370 --> 00:36:44,400
that aside your point was let's study

834
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:49,380
the human experience of contact with ET

835
00:36:55,750 --> 00:36:52,050
non-human intelligence and you throw at

836
00:36:59,480 --> 00:36:55,760
it this scientific methodology of

837
00:37:03,050 --> 00:36:59,490
medical scientific survey so tell us

838
00:37:06,410 --> 00:37:03,060
about that process and then tell us

839
00:37:09,710 --> 00:37:06,420
about some of the huge takeaways from

840
00:37:12,650 --> 00:37:09,720
that initial survey work that you did

841
00:37:15,770 --> 00:37:12,660
okay it's important to lay out the

842
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:15,780
foundation when I was having these

843
00:37:20,890 --> 00:37:19,050
experiences I began to do like anyone

844
00:37:23,540 --> 00:37:20,900
that has an academic background an

845
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:23,550
academic literature review of what has

846
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:25,770
been written academically about UFO

847
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:28,530
contact experiences which is normal and

848
00:37:32,039 --> 00:37:31,530
logical and what I found out was that

849
00:37:33,799 --> 00:37:32,049
all

850
00:37:36,089 --> 00:37:33,809
most nothing has been written

851
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:36,099
academically about UFO contact

852
00:37:41,699 --> 00:37:39,130
experiences there have been a few very

853
00:37:44,069 --> 00:37:41,709
small studies that were done for example

854
00:37:46,559 --> 00:37:44,079
dr. Kenneth ring I believe you might

855
00:37:49,499 --> 00:37:46,569
have interviewed him I'm not sure not

856
00:37:50,939 --> 00:37:49,509
yet okay yet dr. Kenneth ring for you

857
00:37:53,429 --> 00:37:50,949
audience members is one of the world's

858
00:37:56,489 --> 00:37:53,439
leading researchers on near-death

859
00:37:58,140 --> 00:37:56,499
experiences he was a tenured professor

860
00:38:01,890 --> 00:37:58,150
at the University of Connecticut for

861
00:38:04,829 --> 00:38:01,900
many many years and in 1988 he published

862
00:38:08,279 --> 00:38:04,839
really a historic book titled the Omega

863
00:38:11,299 --> 00:38:08,289
project and in that book he compared

864
00:38:15,150 --> 00:38:11,309
roughly 85 individuals that had

865
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:15,160
ufo-related contact experiences mainly

866
00:38:21,689 --> 00:38:18,729
abductees with 85 individuals that had

867
00:38:23,699 --> 00:38:21,699
near-death experiences now he didn't ask

868
00:38:26,219 --> 00:38:23,709
anywhere near the number of questions

869
00:38:28,529 --> 00:38:26,229
that we ask in our free experience or

870
00:38:30,599 --> 00:38:28,539
research studies survey but one of the

871
00:38:33,289 --> 00:38:30,609
main areas that he focused on was how

872
00:38:35,219 --> 00:38:33,299
that these individuals change

873
00:38:38,279 --> 00:38:35,229
psychologically what is their

874
00:38:40,349 --> 00:38:38,289
personality profile now and and then

875
00:38:43,289 --> 00:38:40,359
there were other smaller studies for

876
00:38:47,039 --> 00:38:43,299
example Kathy Martin and Denis stoner

877
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:47,049
Kathy is a member of our board and she

878
00:38:53,549 --> 00:38:50,410
is the director of mul Fonts experience

879
00:38:57,479 --> 00:38:53,559
her research division and she had done a

880
00:39:00,660 --> 00:38:57,489
study with approximately 50 experiencers

881
00:39:02,519 --> 00:39:00,670
again mainly abductees and most of the

882
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:02,529
questions were sent around the abduction

883
00:39:07,259 --> 00:39:05,170
phenomenon it was 50 questions so it was

884
00:39:09,179 --> 00:39:07,269
extremely limited and there were a

885
00:39:11,219 --> 00:39:09,189
couple of others Leo sprinkle dr. Leo

886
00:39:12,779 --> 00:39:11,229
sprinkle who was a professor of

887
00:39:16,109 --> 00:39:12,789
psychology at the University of Wyoming

888
00:39:18,329 --> 00:39:16,119
he had published some articles on UFO

889
00:39:20,429 --> 00:39:18,339
contact experiences but as basically he

890
00:39:23,759 --> 00:39:20,439
administered the Minnesota Mental Health

891
00:39:26,609 --> 00:39:23,769
I always forget the acronym it's a it's

892
00:39:28,979 --> 00:39:26,619
a mental health assessment battery to

893
00:39:30,749 --> 00:39:28,989
determine whether you know someone is is

894
00:39:33,059 --> 00:39:30,759
a nutjob or not you know whether they

895
00:39:35,279 --> 00:39:33,069
have mental health problems and what he

896
00:39:38,429 --> 00:39:35,289
concluded was that they're just as

897
00:39:41,519 --> 00:39:38,439
normal as the mainstream population this

898
00:39:45,849 --> 00:39:41,529
is the UFO contact experiences so it was

899
00:39:48,910 --> 00:39:45,859
very very limited data and so because

900
00:39:51,420 --> 00:39:48,920
was given the information that all of

901
00:39:55,390 --> 00:39:51,430
these contact experiences were all

902
00:39:57,969 --> 00:39:55,400
interrelated okay how are we able to be

903
00:40:00,549 --> 00:39:57,979
do a comparative analysis between UFO

904
00:40:03,059 --> 00:40:00,559
contact experiences with near-death

905
00:40:06,190 --> 00:40:03,069
experiences without a body experiences

906
00:40:09,789 --> 00:40:06,200
given the fact that there was zero data

907
00:40:12,670 --> 00:40:09,799
on the UFO contact experiences okay all

908
00:40:16,089 --> 00:40:12,680
you had existing at that time were books

909
00:40:20,190 --> 00:40:16,099
on individual cases or individuals that

910
00:40:22,539 --> 00:40:20,200
had put together hypnotic regression

911
00:40:25,180 --> 00:40:22,549
information asking tons of leading

912
00:40:28,569 --> 00:40:25,190
questions from a very very biased

913
00:40:31,209 --> 00:40:28,579
perspectives ie David Jacobson and Budd

914
00:40:32,799 --> 00:40:31,219
Hopkins you know it's not putting

915
00:40:34,839 --> 00:40:32,809
someone on your table and asking them

916
00:40:36,370 --> 00:40:34,849
leading questions under hypnotic

917
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:36,380
regression that's not scientific

918
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:39,170
academic research so in other words

919
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:41,450
there was nothing there to be able to to

920
00:40:45,519 --> 00:40:42,890
compare to be able to use it for a

921
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:45,529
comparative analysis to understand how

922
00:40:51,459 --> 00:40:48,170
what I now call the contact modalities

923
00:40:53,199 --> 00:40:51,469
is interrelated so and let me just jump

924
00:40:55,539 --> 00:40:53,209
in there because I don't want to get

925
00:40:58,029 --> 00:40:55,549
things sidetracked I'm not sure where I

926
00:41:00,279 --> 00:40:58,039
come down on David Jacobs interviewed

927
00:41:03,699 --> 00:41:00,289
him a couple times interviewed him and

928
00:41:06,130 --> 00:41:03,709
Mary Rodwell kind of you know and in ER

929
00:41:08,650 --> 00:41:06,140
leave the interviews I just don't want

930
00:41:12,039 --> 00:41:08,660
people to tune out immediately and say

931
00:41:14,559 --> 00:41:12,049
oh this guy is in this camp and this guy

932
00:41:17,140 --> 00:41:14,569
is in that camp because and you're

933
00:41:18,819 --> 00:41:17,150
getting to this Ray but the important

934
00:41:21,759 --> 00:41:18,829
thing about your research is its

935
00:41:24,699 --> 00:41:21,769
scientific research it was done in a way

936
00:41:27,430 --> 00:41:24,709
to take if you have a bias against David

937
00:41:33,339 --> 00:41:27,440
Jacobs my contention is that bias does

938
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:33,349
not show up in your survey correct you

939
00:41:37,900 --> 00:41:35,930
did design a survey to debunk this or to

940
00:41:40,029 --> 00:41:37,910
stress this position or that you set out

941
00:41:43,599 --> 00:41:40,039
to say okay how can I ask these

942
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:43,609
questions in as broad away as possible

943
00:41:47,499 --> 00:41:45,650
scientific how can I do the thing like I

944
00:41:48,959 --> 00:41:47,509
asked the question multiple times see if

945
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:48,969
they repeat it how can I have a

946
00:41:53,739 --> 00:41:51,170
researcher who's done social science

947
00:41:55,180 --> 00:41:53,749
work like this review all the questions

948
00:41:57,219 --> 00:41:55,190
make sure they're the right questions

949
00:41:58,299 --> 00:41:57,229
that was your approach track because

950
00:41:59,829 --> 00:41:58,309
there was zero

951
00:42:01,959 --> 00:41:59,839
that was their the reason I threw out

952
00:42:03,819 --> 00:42:01,969
his name and I could throw out other

953
00:42:06,699 --> 00:42:03,829
people who do hypnotic regression

954
00:42:09,969 --> 00:42:06,709
research that's not you know scientific

955
00:42:12,309 --> 00:42:09,979
academic research and so therefore we

956
00:42:14,439 --> 00:42:12,319
had to establish a baseline of what is

957
00:42:16,809 --> 00:42:14,449
the scientific data that's out there

958
00:42:19,529 --> 00:42:16,819
what is the testicle data so we needed

959
00:42:23,289 --> 00:42:19,539
to understand undertake a comprehensive

960
00:42:25,689 --> 00:42:23,299
statistical data collection done or are

961
00:42:28,569 --> 00:42:25,699
many countries you know multinational

962
00:42:30,910 --> 00:42:28,579
and in many languages and so what we did

963
00:42:33,489 --> 00:42:30,920
is we spent the nine months we already

964
00:42:36,009 --> 00:42:33,499
had established a research team with

965
00:42:38,019 --> 00:42:36,019
many PhD academics and with many

966
00:42:40,469 --> 00:42:38,029
researchers people like Mary rod wall

967
00:42:44,259 --> 00:42:40,479
Kathleen Martin Barbara and Leo sprinkle

968
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:44,269
etc people that had been had their boots

969
00:42:48,130 --> 00:42:46,130
on the ground working with experiencers

970
00:42:50,349 --> 00:42:48,140
for many many years so we put together

971
00:42:52,989 --> 00:42:50,359
the academics with the researchers and

972
00:42:56,439 --> 00:42:52,999
we say okay how do you go about studying

973
00:42:58,539 --> 00:42:56,449
UFO contact experiences and John clemo

974
00:43:00,489 --> 00:42:58,549
who taught research methodology for

975
00:43:03,549 --> 00:43:00,499
forty five years dr. John clemo a

976
00:43:05,380 --> 00:43:03,559
professor of psychology who basically

977
00:43:07,599 --> 00:43:05,390
had focused on the paranormal for over

978
00:43:09,609 --> 00:43:07,609
40 years he was a tenured faculty member

979
00:43:11,679 --> 00:43:09,619
one of the few that was a tenured

980
00:43:13,539 --> 00:43:11,689
faculty member focusing mainly on the

981
00:43:15,549 --> 00:43:13,549
paranormal so he was the chair of our

982
00:43:17,890 --> 00:43:15,559
committee and we spent nine months

983
00:43:20,349 --> 00:43:17,900
trying to develop a methodology which

984
00:43:22,660 --> 00:43:20,359
resulted in three surveys

985
00:43:25,419 --> 00:43:22,670
two of them were quantitative in nature

986
00:43:28,989 --> 00:43:25,429
totaling more than 700 questions and

987
00:43:31,779 --> 00:43:28,999
then we developed our fair Survey three

988
00:43:36,279 --> 00:43:31,789
which is open-ended qualitative

989
00:43:38,559 --> 00:43:36,289
questionnaire 70 questions and then we

990
00:43:41,469 --> 00:43:38,569
advertised this my goodness we

991
00:43:44,429 --> 00:43:41,479
advertised this all over the place we

992
00:43:47,829 --> 00:43:44,439
advertised it in over 500 Facebook sites

993
00:43:51,339 --> 00:43:47,839
we had a mailing list of thousands over

994
00:43:54,009 --> 00:43:51,349
5,000 names that we sent it out to both

995
00:43:56,919 --> 00:43:54,019
the UFO folks the paranormal folks the

996
00:43:59,019 --> 00:43:56,929
consciousness researchers ghosts and

997
00:44:01,539 --> 00:43:59,029
spirits and the e researchers OBE

998
00:44:03,309 --> 00:44:01,549
researchers anyone that might have had

999
00:44:05,650 --> 00:44:03,319
contact with non-human intelligence

1000
00:44:09,220 --> 00:44:05,660
specifically our focus was ufo-related

1001
00:44:11,290 --> 00:44:09,230
contact experiences we sent it out to

1002
00:44:13,630 --> 00:44:11,300
and let me jump in there jump in there

1003
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:13,640
again because I've heard this before and

1004
00:44:19,870 --> 00:44:16,010
I know what's percolating in people's

1005
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:19,880
mind is that that somehow invalidates

1006
00:44:25,270 --> 00:44:22,490
your results because you went out to the

1007
00:44:27,910 --> 00:44:25,280
broad population or in this case you

1008
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:27,920
went out to specific groups and sought

1009
00:44:32,230 --> 00:44:30,050
their participation in the survey and

1010
00:44:34,630 --> 00:44:32,240
I'll just cut to the chase here that

1011
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:34,640
does not invalidate this kind of work

1012
00:44:39,130 --> 00:44:36,890
this is the way that work is of this

1013
00:44:41,950 --> 00:44:39,140
kind is done all the time if you're

1014
00:44:44,170 --> 00:44:41,960
doing a pain survey you don't go out and

1015
00:44:45,730 --> 00:44:44,180
interview everyone whether or not

1016
00:44:48,100 --> 00:44:45,740
they've experienced a certain kind of

1017
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:48,110
chronic arthritic pain you know to go

1018
00:44:51,850 --> 00:44:50,090
out to the general population you seek

1019
00:44:54,220 --> 00:44:51,860
out people that have had that kind of

1020
00:44:56,020 --> 00:44:54,230
experience and then you ask them things

1021
00:44:58,720 --> 00:44:56,030
about that so I don't know why people

1022
00:45:03,300 --> 00:44:58,730
have this fixed in their head that you

1023
00:45:06,010 --> 00:45:03,310
can't go out and publicize and promote

1024
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:06,020
participation in these surveys this is

1025
00:45:10,060 --> 00:45:07,970
how it's done there's no other way so

1026
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:10,070
you don't have to address that I just

1027
00:45:14,020 --> 00:45:11,930
wanted to throw that all right I get

1028
00:45:15,580 --> 00:45:14,030
that back it's we threw out our fishing

1029
00:45:21,670 --> 00:45:15,590
net

1030
00:45:23,890 --> 00:45:21,680
interviews we identified 500 Facebook

1031
00:45:26,950 --> 00:45:23,900
organizations as I said before dealing

1032
00:45:29,530 --> 00:45:26,960
with this vast array of experiences

1033
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:29,540
mainly focused on the the UFO phenomenon

1034
00:45:33,430 --> 00:45:30,770
because that was the nature of our

1035
00:45:36,190 --> 00:45:33,440
research study and we did this on a

1036
00:45:39,430 --> 00:45:36,200
weekly basis we posted in these 500

1037
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:39,440
Facebook sites our research study and we

1038
00:45:45,010 --> 00:45:42,890
also are only allowed conscious explicit

1039
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:45,020
memory and that memory from hypnotic

1040
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:46,970
regressions lucid dreams channeling

1041
00:45:50,770 --> 00:45:49,130
because we knew that if eventually we

1042
00:45:54,010 --> 00:45:50,780
want to publish this in a peer-reviewed

1043
00:45:56,230 --> 00:45:54,020
journal if you're using memories from

1044
00:45:57,700 --> 00:45:56,240
lucid dreams and channeling and notic

1045
00:46:01,090 --> 00:45:57,710
regression it's going to be totally

1046
00:46:03,100 --> 00:46:01,100
debunked and so that's why we for phase

1047
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:03,110
one and to the quantitative aspects of

1048
00:46:08,710 --> 00:46:05,690
it we allowed only conscious explicit

1049
00:46:10,300 --> 00:46:08,720
memory however for phase 3 which is the

1050
00:46:11,860 --> 00:46:10,310
qualitative instrument where people got

1051
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:11,870
to write down the details of their

1052
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:14,210
experiences to write it out we did allow

1053
00:46:19,860 --> 00:46:17,210
these other type of memory recollections

1054
00:46:21,670 --> 00:46:19,870
but they had to identify this

1055
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:21,680
information came from a hypnotic

1056
00:46:24,700 --> 00:46:22,850
regression this

1057
00:46:26,770 --> 00:46:24,710
one came from a lucid dream this came

1058
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:26,780
from a channeling this was conscious

1059
00:46:31,270 --> 00:46:29,930
explicit memory etc etc so we didn't

1060
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:31,280
totally exclude it but not for the

1061
00:46:36,070 --> 00:46:34,130
quantitative data and then we developed

1062
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:36,080
the surveys in English Spanish French

1063
00:46:42,460 --> 00:46:38,690
German Slovak and very soon it's gonna

1064
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:42,470
be administered in in Chinese so and

1065
00:46:46,690 --> 00:46:44,210
again we had numerous piece the

1066
00:46:49,990 --> 00:46:46,700
academics involved in this I believe

1067
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:50,000
also you interviewed dr. Bob Davis yes

1068
00:46:54,460 --> 00:46:52,130
Bob Davis is a retired professor of

1069
00:46:57,190 --> 00:46:54,470
neuroscience from the State University

1070
00:46:59,560 --> 00:46:57,200
of New York again someone that's

1071
00:47:02,770 --> 00:46:59,570
extremely interested in these topics are

1072
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:02,780
very brilliant mind and he helped us

1073
00:47:08,740 --> 00:47:05,570
tremendously we had a PC statistician

1074
00:47:11,770 --> 00:47:08,750
involved dr. Russell scalp owned we had

1075
00:47:14,290 --> 00:47:11,780
the advice of dr. Dean Radin throughout

1076
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:14,300
this process so it was really a

1077
00:47:20,770 --> 00:47:17,450
collaborative research effort with

1078
00:47:24,570 --> 00:47:20,780
academics and researchers and ok right

1079
00:47:28,690 --> 00:47:24,580
yes right let's jump ahead then the big

1080
00:47:31,870 --> 00:47:28,700
takeaways from this work and I think

1081
00:47:36,490 --> 00:47:31,880
again when we truly step back we can see

1082
00:47:37,750 --> 00:47:36,500
how significant this shift is and for

1083
00:47:38,290 --> 00:47:37,760
folks who listen to sceptical all the

1084
00:47:40,720 --> 00:47:38,300
time

1085
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:40,730
they might not immediately see it

1086
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:42,410
because we talk about it all the time

1087
00:47:46,180 --> 00:47:44,690
but here is a guy ray Hernandez in the

1088
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:46,190
free organization with all these

1089
00:47:51,190 --> 00:47:49,010
academics and PhDs behind it that went

1090
00:47:54,580 --> 00:47:51,200
out and did this survey look for the

1091
00:47:57,520 --> 00:47:54,590
answer and what you find is number one

1092
00:48:00,550 --> 00:47:57,530
let's talk about the word abduction and

1093
00:48:01,900 --> 00:48:00,560
whether or not how that fits into this

1094
00:48:04,510 --> 00:48:01,910
and then the other thing I want you to

1095
00:48:06,750 --> 00:48:04,520
hit on is the you know you call it

1096
00:48:09,820 --> 00:48:06,760
contact modalities but the

1097
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:09,830
interconnectedness of this phenomenon

1098
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:13,810
with all these other phenomenon correct

1099
00:48:18,700 --> 00:48:16,610
just for the background we had over four

1100
00:48:20,500 --> 00:48:18,710
thousand two individuals respond to our

1101
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:20,510
surveys for more than a hundred

1102
00:48:25,720 --> 00:48:22,970
countries to our English language survey

1103
00:48:27,850 --> 00:48:25,730
we also did a statistical analysis where

1104
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:27,860
we did country groupings all the

1105
00:48:33,490 --> 00:48:30,850
responses for the United States Canada

1106
00:48:35,230 --> 00:48:33,500
the United Kingdom mainland Europe and

1107
00:48:35,660 --> 00:48:35,240
then we grouped Australia and New

1108
00:48:38,059 --> 00:48:35,670
Zealand

1109
00:48:40,870 --> 00:48:38,069
together and all of these different

1110
00:48:43,430 --> 00:48:40,880
country groupings had less than a 10%

1111
00:48:45,740 --> 00:48:43,440
statistical variability and how they

1112
00:48:47,329 --> 00:48:45,750
responded to these questions so that

1113
00:48:50,270 --> 00:48:47,339
means that no matter where you lived

1114
00:48:52,490 --> 00:48:50,280
people responding almost the same exact

1115
00:48:55,490 --> 00:48:52,500
way to all of these questions so it's a

1116
00:48:57,559 --> 00:48:55,500
universal phenomenon secondly we had

1117
00:48:59,210 --> 00:48:57,569
four major findings and and let me

1118
00:49:01,579 --> 00:48:59,220
address the abduction related questions

1119
00:49:03,470 --> 00:49:01,589
within my four major findings first of

1120
00:49:05,450 --> 00:49:03,480
all there were hundreds of other smaller

1121
00:49:07,130 --> 00:49:05,460
findings but let me just get that again

1122
00:49:10,180 --> 00:49:07,140
at the big picture here okay

1123
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:10,190
as you were saying alluding to before

1124
00:49:16,549 --> 00:49:13,170
most of this the the research in this

1125
00:49:18,890 --> 00:49:16,559
field focused mainly on what is called

1126
00:49:20,569 --> 00:49:18,900
the abduction phenomenon even whitley

1127
00:49:23,839 --> 00:49:20,579
strieber when he interviewed me he said

1128
00:49:26,770 --> 00:49:23,849
abduction researcher Rey Hernandez and I

1129
00:49:29,900 --> 00:49:26,780
said Whitley what our survey data

1130
00:49:33,109 --> 00:49:29,910
revealed is that this is everything but

1131
00:49:35,329 --> 00:49:33,119
abductions and what we determined was

1132
00:49:37,609 --> 00:49:35,339
that only one-third of the individuals

1133
00:49:40,910 --> 00:49:37,619
had what is commonly called an abduction

1134
00:49:44,930 --> 00:49:40,920
which is a forced physical taking and

1135
00:49:47,299 --> 00:49:44,940
being relocated to another place and we

1136
00:49:50,359 --> 00:49:47,309
had almost double the number of people

1137
00:49:52,819 --> 00:49:50,369
that had seen a UFO and had been brought

1138
00:49:56,270 --> 00:49:52,829
to what we call a matrix reality which

1139
00:49:58,370 --> 00:49:56,280
is a non-3d interdimensional reality

1140
00:50:01,069 --> 00:49:58,380
almost double the number then people

1141
00:50:03,079 --> 00:50:01,079
have been abducted abducted you will dis

1142
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:03,089
intersect here because now you're

1143
00:50:08,240 --> 00:50:05,010
getting into specifics and people need

1144
00:50:11,809 --> 00:50:08,250
to go to the the website the free

1145
00:50:13,910 --> 00:50:11,819
website and find the survey because the

1146
00:50:16,700 --> 00:50:13,920
summary of it like a hundred pages of

1147
00:50:19,339 --> 00:50:16,710
the book beyond UFO is there for free

1148
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:19,349
for people to read and analyze and you

1149
00:50:24,950 --> 00:50:21,210
can get so much of this valuable

1150
00:50:26,630 --> 00:50:24,960
information that is the summation of all

1151
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:26,640
these surveys amazing what you just said

1152
00:50:30,650 --> 00:50:28,530
four thousand people around the world

1153
00:50:32,359 --> 00:50:30,660
you know cross correlated to see if it's

1154
00:50:33,650 --> 00:50:32,369
consistent and it is all the rest of

1155
00:50:36,170 --> 00:50:33,660
this and the other thing I wanted to

1156
00:50:39,770 --> 00:50:36,180
point out is so now you're talking about

1157
00:50:41,240 --> 00:50:39,780
you know UFO abduction UFO abductions

1158
00:50:43,210 --> 00:50:41,250
all you see on TV that's all you see in

1159
00:50:45,289 --> 00:50:43,220
the movies and now you're saying well

1160
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:45,299
what I really hear you saying cuz I

1161
00:50:48,170 --> 00:50:46,530
don't want to bury it challenge the

1162
00:50:50,690 --> 00:50:48,180
other way is there's an

1163
00:50:52,069 --> 00:50:50,700
that that can be interpreted that way we

1164
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:52,079
don't want to take away that experience

1165
00:50:56,059 --> 00:50:54,450
from people who experience that way but

1166
00:50:58,190 --> 00:50:56,069
when you look at the survey data when

1167
00:51:01,089 --> 00:50:58,200
you look at raised it really the results

1168
00:51:04,010 --> 00:51:01,099
she says that's a minority experience

1169
00:51:06,049 --> 00:51:04,020
very small part yeah doesn't even

1170
00:51:07,970 --> 00:51:06,059
compare it to the story that you told us

1171
00:51:10,339 --> 00:51:07,980
at the beginning the story you have is a

1172
00:51:12,380 --> 00:51:10,349
phenomenal account I don't call the

1173
00:51:15,079 --> 00:51:12,390
story and a phenomenal account it is not

1174
00:51:16,730 --> 00:51:15,089
an abduction account so we have to

1175
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:16,740
figure out what's going on but part of

1176
00:51:23,089 --> 00:51:19,170
the part of doing that is we need data

1177
00:51:25,010 --> 00:51:23,099
and that's what you've given us reality

1178
00:51:26,510 --> 00:51:25,020
I'm just wanted you know you know you're

1179
00:51:28,390 --> 00:51:26,520
gonna talk in a minute about matrix

1180
00:51:30,799 --> 00:51:28,400
reality then you're gonna talk about

1181
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:30,809
abduction and the reality of that and

1182
00:51:35,210 --> 00:51:32,970
all these different kind of contact

1183
00:51:37,039 --> 00:51:35,220
experiences that people have and I want

1184
00:51:39,559 --> 00:51:37,049
people to follow what you're talking

1185
00:51:41,809 --> 00:51:39,569
about even if they haven't gone and read

1186
00:51:44,450 --> 00:51:41,819
the research yep let me address the four

1187
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:44,460
major findings and all in sequence first

1188
00:51:49,970 --> 00:51:47,450
of all what we determined is that the

1189
00:51:52,010 --> 00:51:49,980
overwhelming percentage of these

1190
00:51:53,900 --> 00:51:52,020
experiences are positive experiences

1191
00:51:56,359 --> 00:51:53,910
they're not negative but if you go to

1192
00:51:58,819 --> 00:51:56,369
these UFO conferences and if you go to

1193
00:52:01,309 --> 00:51:58,829
the internet and numerous websites

1194
00:52:02,750 --> 00:52:01,319
you'll think that it's all negative okay

1195
00:52:04,789 --> 00:52:02,760
you'll think that it's all these little

1196
00:52:07,940 --> 00:52:04,799
evil greys that are doing all of this

1197
00:52:11,359 --> 00:52:07,950
well please it's everything but that

1198
00:52:13,700 --> 00:52:11,369
number two hold on I do have to jump in

1199
00:52:16,519 --> 00:52:13,710
there right because I think this again

1200
00:52:19,220 --> 00:52:16,529
has the potential to lead us down the

1201
00:52:22,039 --> 00:52:19,230
wrong path I've been down this road like

1202
00:52:24,049 --> 00:52:22,049
I told you for so many years with NDEs

1203
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:24,059
and if you want to start telling people

1204
00:52:30,980 --> 00:52:28,410
that their hellish NDE experience isn't

1205
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:30,990
significant because it's amateur it's a

1206
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:34,170
minority experience which it is you're

1207
00:52:42,430 --> 00:52:36,930
gonna lose an important part of it

1208
00:52:47,870 --> 00:52:45,950
percentage of it well it's not even that

1209
00:52:51,700 --> 00:52:47,880
you just said it's a third you know so

1210
00:52:54,500 --> 00:52:51,710
it's not a small it's a let me backtrack

1211
00:52:56,809 --> 00:52:54,510
while people have had an abduction 70

1212
00:53:00,440 --> 00:52:56,819
percent now of the abductees call

1213
00:53:01,910 --> 00:53:00,450
themselves contactees why and against

1214
00:53:04,670 --> 00:53:01,920
this gets a little complicated

1215
00:53:07,370 --> 00:53:04,680
because over time they've had numerous

1216
00:53:09,890 --> 00:53:07,380
contact experiences their experiences

1217
00:53:12,830 --> 00:53:09,900
change over time from negative

1218
00:53:16,510 --> 00:53:12,840
experiences to positive experiences for

1219
00:53:19,070 --> 00:53:16,520
example many people start off having a

1220
00:53:21,350 --> 00:53:19,080
little gray visiting them in their

1221
00:53:22,940 --> 00:53:21,360
bedroom then they're paralyzed and

1222
00:53:26,270 --> 00:53:22,950
they're being inspected by these greys

1223
00:53:28,730 --> 00:53:26,280
okay over the years then people are now

1224
00:53:31,550 --> 00:53:28,740
having the ability to be brought to a

1225
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:31,560
UFO craft perceived craft they're moving

1226
00:53:37,810 --> 00:53:35,850
about the craft over 250 people are

1227
00:53:40,490 --> 00:53:37,820
actually allowed to operate the craft

1228
00:53:44,890 --> 00:53:40,500
for the abductees it's only for about

1229
00:53:48,050 --> 00:53:44,900
440 people abductees okay and then the

1230
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:48,060
roughly 200 and change are able to even

1231
00:53:53,270 --> 00:53:50,850
operate a craft okay and then later on

1232
00:53:56,090 --> 00:53:53,280
they begin interacting with non Grey's

1233
00:53:58,700 --> 00:53:56,100
with human looking beings and then also

1234
00:54:00,980 --> 00:53:58,710
many of them with what is called spirit

1235
00:54:03,110 --> 00:54:00,990
beings okay and that's where all these

1236
00:54:05,810 --> 00:54:03,120
lessons come in so they might have

1237
00:54:08,270 --> 00:54:05,820
started off as an abductee with highly

1238
00:54:11,390 --> 00:54:08,280
negative experiences but over time the

1239
00:54:13,550 --> 00:54:11,400
experiences change the people that have

1240
00:54:15,110 --> 00:54:13,560
had that answered the most negative

1241
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:15,120
experience for example we had this

1242
00:54:18,860 --> 00:54:16,650
question how will you describe your

1243
00:54:21,380 --> 00:54:18,870
experiences okay very simple turn

1244
00:54:23,270 --> 00:54:21,390
positive negative or neutral sixty-six

1245
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:23,280
percent it was positive neutral

1246
00:54:28,220 --> 00:54:25,890
twenty-nine percent and negative was

1247
00:54:30,650 --> 00:54:28,230
five percent we asked that question of

1248
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:30,660
positive negative or neutral in multiple

1249
00:54:35,210 --> 00:54:33,330
ways over 40 questions because how you

1250
00:54:38,150 --> 00:54:35,220
ask a question you'll get a different

1251
00:54:39,860 --> 00:54:38,160
response we even asked that question for

1252
00:54:43,610 --> 00:54:39,870
the different types of non-human

1253
00:54:46,490 --> 00:54:43,620
intelligence that people were realizing

1254
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:46,500
for example the energy being was the

1255
00:54:51,710 --> 00:54:48,810
number one type of being not the short

1256
00:54:54,590 --> 00:54:51,720
greys 55 percent of the people had

1257
00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:54,600
encounters with energy beings out of

1258
00:54:59,330 --> 00:54:56,970
those only seven percent said that that

1259
00:55:02,300 --> 00:54:59,340
experience was mainly negative the human

1260
00:55:05,470 --> 00:55:02,310
looking was 52 percent only five percent

1261
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:05,480
it was mainly negative the short greys

1262
00:55:10,700 --> 00:55:08,010
51 percent of the people had experiences

1263
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:10,710
with short greys only 11 percent said

1264
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:13,650
that their experiences were negative in

1265
00:55:18,230 --> 00:55:15,690
fact 29 person about the

1266
00:55:20,270 --> 00:55:18,240
reptilians well let me go through the

1267
00:55:23,050 --> 00:55:20,280
different categories okay

1268
00:55:26,180 --> 00:55:23,060
the ghost in the spirit forms were 47%

1269
00:55:29,990 --> 00:55:26,190
46 percent said it was positive 7

1270
00:55:32,359 --> 00:55:30,000
percent 7 percent negative 40 percent 47

1271
00:55:34,490 --> 00:55:32,369
percent said it was neutral ok now let's

1272
00:55:37,430 --> 00:55:34,500
get down a couple of different types of

1273
00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:37,440
beings now to the reptilians ok we had

1274
00:55:42,620 --> 00:55:40,530
600 let me need the categories the

1275
00:55:44,780 --> 00:55:42,630
energy being was at our thousand three

1276
00:55:47,150 --> 00:55:44,790
hundred and five human looking a

1277
00:55:48,589 --> 00:55:47,160
thousand one hundred ninety five the

1278
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:48,599
short grazed a thousand one hundred

1279
00:55:54,010 --> 00:55:50,970
seventy three the ghosts and spirits a

1280
00:55:56,990 --> 00:55:54,020
thousand and sixty nine the tall greys

1281
00:56:00,200 --> 00:55:57,000
770 the reptilians were six hundred and

1282
00:56:01,910 --> 00:56:00,210
forty four and the insectoid the Mantid

1283
00:56:02,359 --> 00:56:01,920
beings were five hundred and

1284
00:56:04,490 --> 00:56:02,369
eighty-three

1285
00:56:07,010 --> 00:56:04,500
so now let's focus on the reptilians

1286
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:07,020
okay six hundred and forty four people

1287
00:56:12,700 --> 00:56:10,290
had seen them okay huge numbers out of

1288
00:56:14,660 --> 00:56:12,710
those six hundred and forty-four people

1289
00:56:17,420 --> 00:56:14,670
seventeen percent said that their

1290
00:56:19,190 --> 00:56:17,430
experiences was positive twenty three

1291
00:56:21,890 --> 00:56:19,200
percent stated that their experiences

1292
00:56:24,140 --> 00:56:21,900
were negative and sixty percent said

1293
00:56:26,630 --> 00:56:24,150
that their experiences were neutral now

1294
00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:26,640
when we turn to phase three where people

1295
00:56:30,829 --> 00:56:28,530
were asked to write out the details of

1296
00:56:33,079 --> 00:56:30,839
their contact experiences we looked at

1297
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:33,089
the people that had reptilian contact

1298
00:56:37,190 --> 00:56:35,130
experiences out of those twenty three

1299
00:56:39,650 --> 00:56:37,200
percent that said it was mainly negative

1300
00:56:41,780 --> 00:56:39,660
we looked at what they wrote out and

1301
00:56:44,540 --> 00:56:41,790
they wasn't that these reptilians were

1302
00:56:46,670 --> 00:56:44,550
you know raping their spouse and eating

1303
00:56:48,740 --> 00:56:46,680
their children and that Barack Obama was

1304
00:56:51,260 --> 00:56:48,750
a reptilian know what it was was the

1305
00:56:54,050 --> 00:56:51,270
ontological shock of the physicality of

1306
00:56:56,140 --> 00:56:54,060
that be you had these beings that were

1307
00:56:59,599 --> 00:56:56,150
described as seven to eight feet tall

1308
00:57:02,180 --> 00:56:59,609
400 to 500 pounds like these massive

1309
00:57:07,309 --> 00:57:02,190
football players on steroids with a

1310
00:57:09,859 --> 00:57:07,319
crocodile head lizard eyes and you know

1311
00:57:12,770 --> 00:57:09,869
greenish brownish greenish color and so

1312
00:57:14,660 --> 00:57:12,780
when people had these beings most of the

1313
00:57:17,240 --> 00:57:14,670
time almost all the time they just

1314
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:17,250
stared and looked at them okay with okay

1315
00:57:25,309 --> 00:57:21,210
bit right hold on this yeah I don't know

1316
00:57:28,260 --> 00:57:25,319
I'm gonna keep you because I this is a

1317
00:57:31,140 --> 00:57:28,270
total paradigm shift for

1318
00:57:33,660 --> 00:57:31,150
99% of people out there I don't care how

1319
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:33,670
much you've studied UFOs I don't care

1320
00:57:39,990 --> 00:57:36,370
how on the cutting edge you think you

1321
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:40,000
are of conspiracy alt News whatever this

1322
00:57:45,900 --> 00:57:43,810
is a total paradigm shift for everyone

1323
00:57:48,030 --> 00:57:45,910
so like I told you at the beginning you

1324
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:48,040
know I did this whole thing on the what

1325
00:57:53,220 --> 00:57:50,410
I think was the fake UFO disclosure but

1326
00:57:55,710 --> 00:57:53,230
it's a real disclosure in December 2017

1327
00:57:57,810 --> 00:57:55,720
New York Times Leslie Kane header on

1328
00:57:59,580 --> 00:57:57,820
talked about it New York Times oh gosh

1329
00:58:01,440 --> 00:57:59,590
they really dug into this oh we

1330
00:58:03,930 --> 00:58:01,450
understood it and then it finally makes

1331
00:58:06,450 --> 00:58:03,940
it breaks through Fox News I just want

1332
00:58:08,370 --> 00:58:06,460
you to step back and now realize what

1333
00:58:10,680 --> 00:58:08,380
we're asking people to do what we're

1334
00:58:12,990 --> 00:58:10,690
asking people to do is take that leap to

1335
00:58:15,330 --> 00:58:13,000
say okay well then somebody has to study

1336
00:58:17,310 --> 00:58:15,340
what's going on and here is a guy who

1337
00:58:19,530 --> 00:58:17,320
studied it and he studied it

1338
00:58:21,860 --> 00:58:19,540
scientifically and now let's talk about

1339
00:58:26,490 --> 00:58:21,870
his findings and we're talking about

1340
00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:26,500
fricken reptilians versus greys versus

1341
00:58:32,670 --> 00:58:29,370
spirit beings and we're comparing in

1342
00:58:34,980 --> 00:58:32,680
contrasting the numbers of the

1343
00:58:37,170 --> 00:58:34,990
percentage of people who said they had

1344
00:58:41,130 --> 00:58:37,180
this kind of contact or that kind of

1345
00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:41,140
contact I think we need another way to

1346
00:58:48,060 --> 00:58:44,850
kind of step back and let people absorb

1347
00:58:50,610 --> 00:58:48,070
what's going on here and what it would

1348
00:58:53,460 --> 00:58:50,620
even mean to start asking these

1349
00:58:55,710 --> 00:58:53,470
questions I want to get to having a

1350
00:58:57,600 --> 00:58:55,720
level three discussion with you talk

1351
00:59:00,750 --> 00:58:57,610
about the stuff that really interests me

1352
00:59:02,970 --> 00:59:00,760
that the cross correlates with what I'm

1353
00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:02,980
finding out about people who are deeply

1354
00:59:07,890 --> 00:59:05,650
studying spirituality and near-death

1355
00:59:09,630 --> 00:59:07,900
experiences and non-dual experiences I

1356
00:59:12,060 --> 00:59:09,640
don't want to force those questions we

1357
00:59:15,330 --> 00:59:12,070
don't have to get there but I do want to

1358
00:59:18,900 --> 00:59:15,340
kind of take the audience and take all

1359
00:59:21,540 --> 00:59:18,910
of us a big step back and realize the

1360
00:59:25,350 --> 00:59:21,550
world we're entering where we're going

1361
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:25,360
to start talking about these things in a

1362
00:59:31,020 --> 00:59:28,930
real way because we have to it's the

1363
00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:31,030
most important thing we can talk about

1364
00:59:35,850 --> 00:59:33,250
so back to the reptilians let me

1365
00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:35,860
interject a skeptical kind of question

1366
00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:38,610
because there are a lot of accounts of

1367
00:59:45,300 --> 00:59:41,890
reptilians having forced sexual

1368
00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:45,310
contact with people they may not be in

1369
00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:47,410
the hundreds of thousands or even the

1370
00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:50,290
hundreds but there are those accounts we

1371
00:59:55,260 --> 00:59:51,970
have to take them seriously

1372
00:59:58,110 --> 00:59:55,270
we can't Jam those back into what we

1373
01:00:01,200 --> 00:59:58,120
normally understand as a spiritual

1374
01:00:02,730 --> 01:00:01,210
positive contact experience of any kind

1375
01:00:04,560 --> 01:00:02,740
whether if we're talking about et

1376
01:00:07,410 --> 01:00:04,570
contact experience or just the general

1377
01:00:10,260 --> 01:00:07,420
contact experience someone having forced

1378
01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:10,270
sexual relationships with people in our

1379
01:00:15,390 --> 01:00:13,570
society with our morality we say no that

1380
01:00:18,360 --> 01:00:15,400
shouldn't happen and yet that is

1381
01:00:20,010 --> 01:00:18,370
occurring so I'm okay with your finding

1382
01:00:22,860 --> 01:00:20,020
because you've convinced me that you've

1383
01:00:25,500 --> 01:00:22,870
done the work but the outlying data is

1384
01:00:27,990 --> 01:00:25,510
interesting to me as well it's like the

1385
01:00:30,090 --> 01:00:28,000
hellish NDEs they may not be a large

1386
01:00:32,610 --> 01:00:30,100
number but they're interesting as an

1387
01:00:34,470 --> 01:00:32,620
outline piece of information so what

1388
01:00:36,660 --> 01:00:34,480
about the sex with a lone only four

1389
01:00:38,250 --> 01:00:36,670
individuals stated that out of the six

1390
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:38,260
hundred forty four people are you

1391
01:00:42,270 --> 01:00:39,970
suggesting that they did not accurately

1392
01:00:44,490 --> 01:00:42,280
report but how I'm not saying that I'm

1393
01:00:47,970 --> 01:00:44,500
just saying only four individuals

1394
01:00:50,580 --> 01:00:47,980
reported so-so whatsoever affiliates how

1395
01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:50,590
would we understand that in the larger

1396
01:00:56,340 --> 01:00:53,290
context of what we're talking about in

1397
01:00:59,060 --> 01:00:56,350
terms of contact modalities what is in

1398
01:01:02,100 --> 01:00:59,070
this extended consciousness realm this

1399
01:01:04,890 --> 01:01:02,110
advanced intelligence realm that is

1400
01:01:07,830 --> 01:01:04,900
doing that in a way that we would

1401
01:01:11,190 --> 01:01:07,840
possibly understand well this is we're

1402
01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:11,200
sort of jumping the gun on a couple of

1403
01:01:17,580 --> 01:01:14,890
additional components here but what I

1404
01:01:20,610 --> 01:01:17,590
believe is happening is that non-human

1405
01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:20,620
intelligence can encompass different

1406
01:01:26,010 --> 01:01:23,050
forms for different reasons just like in

1407
01:01:27,600 --> 01:01:26,020
shamanic experiences many people

1408
01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:27,610
describe that they're you know

1409
01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:30,330
physically being torn torn into pieces

1410
01:01:35,130 --> 01:01:33,010
and then being rebuilt again a lot of

1411
01:01:38,070 --> 01:01:35,140
people experience like death and rebirth

1412
01:01:39,750 --> 01:01:38,080
numerous times in many paranormal

1413
01:01:42,120 --> 01:01:39,760
experiences and shamanic type of

1414
01:01:44,250 --> 01:01:42,130
journeys I think there's a reason for

1415
01:01:46,800 --> 01:01:44,260
these experiences that are people are

1416
01:01:50,730 --> 01:01:46,810
having and and I and this is where I'm

1417
01:01:54,330 --> 01:01:50,740
heading towards 85% of these individuals

1418
01:01:55,170 --> 01:01:54,340
have undergone a dramatic positive

1419
01:01:58,260 --> 01:01:55,180
transfer

1420
01:02:00,540 --> 01:01:58,270
of their personality profile dr. Kenneth

1421
01:02:02,790 --> 01:02:00,550
ring had asked these questions he had as

1422
01:02:05,010 --> 01:02:02,800
close to 60 questions how were you

1423
01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:05,020
before how were you after and we

1424
01:02:10,799 --> 01:02:07,450
duplicated his research findings because

1425
01:02:14,849 --> 01:02:10,809
he had roughly 85% of both the NDE folks

1426
01:02:17,190 --> 01:02:14,859
and the UFE UFO contact folks underwent

1427
01:02:19,349 --> 01:02:17,200
the total personality change it was like

1428
01:02:21,870 --> 01:02:19,359
a butterfly came out of out of this

1429
01:02:24,450 --> 01:02:21,880
cocoon and the cocoon is this experience

1430
01:02:27,839 --> 01:02:24,460
that people were having people became

1431
01:02:29,970 --> 01:02:27,849
much more spiritual less religious they

1432
01:02:31,710 --> 01:02:29,980
no longer fear death they became more

1433
01:02:36,150 --> 01:02:31,720
empathic more loving to the Brethren

1434
01:02:37,530 --> 01:02:36,160
they became ecologically friendly all of

1435
01:02:40,500 --> 01:02:37,540
a sudden they became more consciously

1436
01:02:43,049 --> 01:02:40,510
aware etcetera etcetera etc it was a

1437
01:02:45,540 --> 01:02:43,059
tolling rebirth of a new personality

1438
01:02:48,030 --> 01:02:45,550
we discovered that 85% of these people

1439
01:02:51,180 --> 01:02:48,040
made that transition over a lengthy

1440
01:02:53,819 --> 01:02:51,190
period of time now as I said before in

1441
01:02:55,980 --> 01:02:53,829
the beginning 37 percent of the

1442
01:02:58,890 --> 01:02:55,990
individuals initially viewed their

1443
01:03:00,900 --> 01:02:58,900
experiences as negative okay but towards

1444
01:03:03,120 --> 01:03:00,910
the end only five percent viewed their

1445
01:03:06,599 --> 01:03:03,130
experiences mainly negative even the

1446
01:03:09,180 --> 01:03:06,609
people have had abductions only thirty

1447
01:03:11,250 --> 01:03:09,190
percent call themselves abductees but

1448
01:03:13,680 --> 01:03:11,260
even then the most negative type of

1449
01:03:16,410 --> 01:03:13,690
abductees was like less than than 8

1450
01:03:18,660 --> 01:03:16,420
percent so instead this traumatic

1451
01:03:21,150 --> 01:03:18,670
transition that takes place of the

1452
01:03:22,319 --> 01:03:21,160
individual so I think these experiences

1453
01:03:25,260 --> 01:03:22,329
are people are having with these

1454
01:03:28,280 --> 01:03:25,270
entities these are being utilized by

1455
01:03:31,500 --> 01:03:28,290
non-human intelligence to stimulate

1456
01:03:32,400 --> 01:03:31,510
responses thoughts reactions for the

1457
01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:32,410
people have had the most negative

1458
01:03:38,010 --> 01:03:35,290
experiences are the people we determine

1459
01:03:40,470 --> 01:03:38,020
we we did a Status of how many

1460
01:03:45,089 --> 01:03:40,480
experiences you've had okay and we

1461
01:03:49,920 --> 01:03:45,099
grouped them like from from 1 to 2 to 3

1462
01:03:51,930 --> 01:03:49,930
3 to 5 and then 5 to 10 10 to 15 15 to

1463
01:03:55,140 --> 01:03:51,940
20 then more than 20 and what we

1464
01:03:56,849 --> 01:03:55,150
discovered we did a bar chart on this we

1465
01:04:00,720 --> 01:03:56,859
discovered the more experiences you had

1466
01:04:03,240 --> 01:04:00,730
the more positive was your outlook of

1467
01:04:05,730 --> 01:04:03,250
the positivity outlook became much more

1468
01:04:06,870 --> 01:04:05,740
positive in your responses and there was

1469
01:04:08,849 --> 01:04:06,880
the people that only had one or two

1470
01:04:10,289 --> 01:04:08,859
experiences in particular

1471
01:04:13,410 --> 01:04:10,299
the people that had abduction

1472
01:04:15,299 --> 01:04:13,420
experiences that they were frozen on the

1473
01:04:16,979 --> 01:04:15,309
table being medically examined and

1474
01:04:18,630 --> 01:04:16,989
that's all they had that's all they

1475
01:04:21,269 --> 01:04:18,640
couldn't remember those are the people

1476
01:04:23,190 --> 01:04:21,279
are most traumatized because right yes

1477
01:04:24,150 --> 01:04:23,200
let me jump in there with it I'm gonna

1478
01:04:26,640 --> 01:04:24,160
jump right ahead

1479
01:04:28,200 --> 01:04:26,650
yeah you said and and get into a couple

1480
01:04:29,640 --> 01:04:28,210
of skeptical questions because this is

1481
01:04:32,009 --> 01:04:29,650
where the rubber meets the road I love

1482
01:04:33,420 --> 01:04:32,019
everything you're saying it's it's vital

1483
01:04:34,799 --> 01:04:33,430
that you're doing this research it's

1484
01:04:36,960 --> 01:04:34,809
vital but it's also vital that we have

1485
01:04:38,849 --> 01:04:36,970
this advanced kind of level 3 dialogue

1486
01:04:41,849 --> 01:04:38,859
because no one else is having it well

1487
01:04:44,549 --> 01:04:41,859
this is this is the next two findings

1488
01:04:45,749 --> 01:04:44,559
discussed the initial two which is that

1489
01:04:48,329 --> 01:04:45,759
these were overwhelmingly positive

1490
01:04:49,829 --> 01:04:48,339
experiences number two it resulted in a

1491
01:04:52,140 --> 01:04:49,839
positive transformation of the

1492
01:04:54,420 --> 01:04:52,150
experiencer number three and four is

1493
01:04:56,660 --> 01:04:54,430
that these experiences were primarily

1494
01:04:59,579 --> 01:04:56,670
not physical they were primarily

1495
01:05:02,099 --> 01:04:59,589
paranormal that was number three number

1496
01:05:05,099 --> 01:05:02,109
four is that these experiences involve a

1497
01:05:06,989 --> 01:05:05,109
manipulation of space-time and that in

1498
01:05:09,059 --> 01:05:06,999
turn leads to the hypothesis that these

1499
01:05:12,690 --> 01:05:09,069
experiences might be interdimensional

1500
01:05:15,900 --> 01:05:12,700
and Jacques Vallee alluded to that over

1501
01:05:18,269 --> 01:05:15,910
forty five years ago of the manipulation

1502
01:05:21,029 --> 01:05:18,279
of space-time components so I think with

1503
01:05:23,729 --> 01:05:21,039
the paranormal versus the being

1504
01:05:25,589 --> 01:05:23,739
primarily paranormal and not physical

1505
01:05:27,479 --> 01:05:25,599
and then the manipular space-time then

1506
01:05:30,390 --> 01:05:27,489
we can begin to get it to some

1507
01:05:33,690 --> 01:05:30,400
interesting discussions my concern is

1508
01:05:35,400 --> 01:05:33,700
that we're still despite as far as you

1509
01:05:37,229 --> 01:05:35,410
are advancing the ball and you are

1510
01:05:40,220 --> 01:05:37,239
advancing the ball way down the field

1511
01:05:42,630 --> 01:05:40,230
that we're still filling this big

1512
01:05:44,849 --> 01:05:42,640
consciousness question with a bunch of

1513
01:05:47,099 --> 01:05:44,859
assumptions and maybe we can't help but

1514
01:05:50,460 --> 01:05:47,109
do that and maybe I don't have any way

1515
01:05:52,519 --> 01:05:50,470
out of that but my role of skeptical

1516
01:05:54,839 --> 01:05:52,529
inquiry to perpetuate doubt in the

1517
01:05:57,299 --> 01:05:54,849
Neddie Neddie Neddie not this not this

1518
01:06:00,150 --> 01:05:57,309
is to kind of constantly poke endpoint

1519
01:06:02,370 --> 01:06:00,160
at the the kind of contradictions I'm

1520
01:06:04,049 --> 01:06:02,380
gonna do a interview in just a couple of

1521
01:06:06,660 --> 01:06:04,059
weeks with a guy who's very prominent

1522
01:06:09,539 --> 01:06:06,670
near-death experience researcher he's

1523
01:06:11,970 --> 01:06:09,549
also a Christian and he comes at he's

1524
01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:11,980
he's a solid guy very open-minded guy

1525
01:06:17,420 --> 01:06:14,890
but he takes the near-death experience

1526
01:06:20,370 --> 01:06:17,430
accounts of people who've had direct

1527
01:06:23,010 --> 01:06:20,380
experiences with Jesus I always want to

1528
01:06:25,110 --> 01:06:23,020
turn that into you mean Christ conscious

1529
01:06:26,760 --> 01:06:25,120
because it isn't Jesus right it's at

1530
01:06:28,830 --> 01:06:26,770
this spiritual dimension and then

1531
01:06:30,750 --> 01:06:28,840
there's this discussion about know if

1532
01:06:32,550 --> 01:06:30,760
you might say that technically but here

1533
01:06:34,500 --> 01:06:32,560
are the holes in his hands and here are

1534
01:06:36,990 --> 01:06:34,510
this and here's the experience that

1535
01:06:38,070 --> 01:06:37,000
people have had with Jesus and then you

1536
01:06:40,230 --> 01:06:38,080
get into the discussion of the

1537
01:06:42,780 --> 01:06:40,240
historical Jesus well what do you do

1538
01:06:45,030 --> 01:06:42,790
with that information do you deny that

1539
01:06:47,430 --> 01:06:45,040
someone has had an experience with Jesus

1540
01:06:49,410 --> 01:06:47,440
or is it my definition of Christ

1541
01:06:53,220 --> 01:06:49,420
consciousness no matter which way you

1542
01:06:55,860 --> 01:06:53,230
turn on that Ray you are kind of stumped

1543
01:06:58,110 --> 01:06:55,870
because we don't understand the nature

1544
01:07:00,000 --> 01:06:58,120
in the origin of that experience and

1545
01:07:02,760 --> 01:07:00,010
here's what makes it even more difficult

1546
01:07:05,160 --> 01:07:02,770
we like for example we like the

1547
01:07:08,480 --> 01:07:05,170
near-death experience because it has

1548
01:07:11,280 --> 01:07:08,490
some kind of medical jumping-off point a

1549
01:07:13,860 --> 01:07:11,290
neurological jumping-off point that has

1550
01:07:15,540 --> 01:07:13,870
an acknowledged mystery the brain is

1551
01:07:16,890 --> 01:07:15,550
functioning at a time when the brain is

1552
01:07:18,510 --> 01:07:16,900
not supposed to be functioning and

1553
01:07:21,150 --> 01:07:18,520
they're having this extraordinary

1554
01:07:22,920 --> 01:07:21,160
experience so we can shut up all the

1555
01:07:24,210 --> 01:07:22,930
neuroscientists and say nananana and

1556
01:07:25,500 --> 01:07:24,220
that don't say anything because you

1557
01:07:27,540 --> 01:07:25,510
don't have any way to explain how they

1558
01:07:29,310 --> 01:07:27,550
had this experience so now I can begin

1559
01:07:31,290 --> 01:07:29,320
talking about that experience but as

1560
01:07:33,900 --> 01:07:31,300
soon as we talk about that experience we

1561
01:07:36,090 --> 01:07:33,910
wind up in these kind of contradictions

1562
01:07:37,920 --> 01:07:36,100
was it Jesus was it not Jesus if this

1563
01:07:39,600 --> 01:07:37,930
guy found Jesus when he's dead what

1564
01:07:41,190 --> 01:07:39,610
about this person who found Jesus when

1565
01:07:43,230 --> 01:07:41,200
they're praying at church and then what

1566
01:07:45,990 --> 01:07:43,240
about this survey that says it's really

1567
01:07:48,840 --> 01:07:46,000
not about Jesus so I'll stop there

1568
01:07:50,760 --> 01:07:48,850
that's one but then I'm gonna jump over

1569
01:07:53,370 --> 01:07:50,770
in a minute and talk about the interview

1570
01:07:55,560 --> 01:07:53,380
I just did with the very excellent dr.

1571
01:07:57,900 --> 01:07:55,570
Jeffrey Martin who's gone and talked to

1572
01:08:00,800 --> 01:07:57,910
and and done his own work with people

1573
01:08:05,190 --> 01:08:00,810
who've tried to connect directly with

1574
01:08:09,380 --> 01:08:05,200
consciousness by using kind of the best

1575
01:08:12,780 --> 01:08:09,390
of the best techniques of meditation and

1576
01:08:16,050 --> 01:08:12,790
psychology to remove the mind from this

1577
01:08:18,630 --> 01:08:16,060
noisy brain that's going on and what his

1578
01:08:22,320 --> 01:08:18,640
findings are and how it's really not

1579
01:08:24,930 --> 01:08:22,330
even as it's problematic

1580
01:08:27,210 --> 01:08:24,940
no matter which way we turn so I've

1581
01:08:29,700 --> 01:08:27,220
thrown a lot on the table but we can

1582
01:08:33,480 --> 01:08:29,710
start right there with Jesus impossible

1583
01:08:35,460 --> 01:08:33,490
to pull that apart without understanding

1584
01:08:36,390 --> 01:08:35,470
at a level beyond what we could possibly

1585
01:08:38,430 --> 01:08:36,400
understand

1586
01:08:40,349 --> 01:08:38,440
and the nature of consciousness that's

1587
01:08:43,260 --> 01:08:40,359
where I come okay let me give you my

1588
01:08:47,309 --> 01:08:43,270
personal hypotheses okay and this is

1589
01:08:50,939 --> 01:08:47,319
based upon me speaking almost on a daily

1590
01:08:53,039 --> 01:08:50,949
basis with UFO contact experiences and

1591
01:08:55,829 --> 01:08:53,049
these experiences why they might have

1592
01:08:59,010 --> 01:08:55,839
seen a UFO and while they've might have

1593
01:09:01,380 --> 01:08:59,020
seen a few quote-unquote beings you know

1594
01:09:03,990 --> 01:09:01,390
non-human intelligence the vast majority

1595
01:09:06,570 --> 01:09:04,000
of their reality are paranormal in

1596
01:09:09,180 --> 01:09:06,580
nature okay and let me give you a couple

1597
01:09:12,180 --> 01:09:09,190
of illustrations and the conclusion all

1598
01:09:16,260 --> 01:09:12,190
the hypotheses that I've arrived at okay

1599
01:09:18,630 --> 01:09:16,270
I've spoken with numerous species that

1600
01:09:21,599 --> 01:09:18,640
are experiences one of my best friends

1601
01:09:25,439 --> 01:09:21,609
here in Miami I consider the number one

1602
01:09:28,079 --> 01:09:25,449
contact D in the world his life over the

1603
01:09:30,870 --> 01:09:28,089
last 40 years is basically living in

1604
01:09:32,789 --> 01:09:30,880
another reality his wife is the PhD

1605
01:09:35,490 --> 01:09:32,799
psychologists his daughters at the PhD

1606
01:09:38,010 --> 01:09:35,500
psychologists he's a retired federal DEA

1607
01:09:38,990 --> 01:09:38,020
agent okay and he's just analyst in

1608
01:09:41,999 --> 01:09:39,000
illustration

1609
01:09:44,399 --> 01:09:42,009
several weeks ago I spoke with a

1610
01:09:47,249 --> 01:09:44,409
pediatrician that lives in a Midwestern

1611
01:09:50,189 --> 01:09:47,259
state and again this woman has seen

1612
01:09:53,459 --> 01:09:50,199
non-human intelligence huge UFOs with

1613
01:09:57,000 --> 01:09:53,469
her husband she's had a major near-death

1614
01:09:59,130 --> 01:09:57,010
experience that outside of space time

1615
01:10:00,919 --> 01:09:59,140
and she said was almost Ana seemed like

1616
01:10:03,450 --> 01:10:00,929
an eternity that she was away

1617
01:10:06,750 --> 01:10:03,460
out-of-body experiences but it was

1618
01:10:08,580 --> 01:10:06,760
mainly living a life of paranormal

1619
01:10:10,740 --> 01:10:08,590
experiences and these are just

1620
01:10:13,050 --> 01:10:10,750
illustrations of like hundreds of people

1621
01:10:14,850 --> 01:10:13,060
that I've spoken with but also the

1622
01:10:17,550 --> 01:10:14,860
people that have taken our surveys okay

1623
01:10:19,290 --> 01:10:17,560
and that was off the third major finding

1624
01:10:21,419 --> 01:10:19,300
is that these experiences are primarily

1625
01:10:24,060 --> 01:10:21,429
not physical they're primarily

1626
01:10:26,700 --> 01:10:24,070
paranormal in nature and consciousness

1627
01:10:28,919 --> 01:10:26,710
related okay now let me separate these

1628
01:10:31,470 --> 01:10:28,929
two components okay and these are just

1629
01:10:34,500 --> 01:10:31,480
illustrations here I've had people that

1630
01:10:37,830 --> 01:10:34,510
he and his wife both high-level

1631
01:10:41,399 --> 01:10:37,840
professionals with advanced degrees have

1632
01:10:44,060 --> 01:10:41,409
seen Ganesh okay other people and other

1633
01:10:46,860 --> 01:10:44,070
PR with several witnesses have seen

1634
01:10:48,790 --> 01:10:46,870
Anubis the the Egyptian god with the dog

1635
01:10:51,790 --> 01:10:48,800
head okay and

1636
01:10:53,680 --> 01:10:51,800
you name the type of entity people are

1637
01:10:56,080 --> 01:10:53,690
seeing okay we're talking about

1638
01:11:00,490 --> 01:10:56,090
thousands of different types of entities

1639
01:11:03,160 --> 01:11:00,500
okay so to myself you know one way of

1640
01:11:05,560 --> 01:11:03,170
thinking it is well ganesh came from

1641
01:11:08,140 --> 01:11:05,570
whatever reality ganesh lives that you

1642
01:11:11,109 --> 01:11:08,150
know interacts with and he came to have

1643
01:11:14,020 --> 01:11:11,119
give this experience to this person okay

1644
01:11:17,589 --> 01:11:14,030
this other person my best friend here

1645
01:11:19,660 --> 01:11:17,599
has seen christ several times a couple

1646
01:11:22,569 --> 01:11:19,670
of times you know with the the wounds

1647
01:11:24,580 --> 01:11:22,579
this is a physical being you know let us

1648
01:11:27,419 --> 01:11:24,590
appear to him he's seen the Virgin Mary

1649
01:11:29,589 --> 01:11:27,429
yet he's not Catholic her role has

1650
01:11:32,560 --> 01:11:29,599
rarely ever been in a Catholic Church

1651
01:11:35,589 --> 01:11:32,570
has no background in Catholicism okay

1652
01:11:37,810 --> 01:11:35,599
and and so you you say to yourself you

1653
01:11:39,760 --> 01:11:37,820
know are all these people seeing all of

1654
01:11:43,660 --> 01:11:39,770
these different types of beings do they

1655
01:11:46,169 --> 01:11:43,670
really exist or many experiences have

1656
01:11:50,160 --> 01:11:46,179
spoken that these intelligence can

1657
01:11:53,229 --> 01:11:50,170
masquerade in different formats for

1658
01:11:55,359 --> 01:11:53,239
specific you know reasons you know for

1659
01:11:58,180 --> 01:11:55,369
teachings to demonstrate whatever

1660
01:12:00,850 --> 01:11:58,190
objective there is okay and that's the

1661
01:12:02,919 --> 01:12:00,860
hypotheses that I have that whatever

1662
01:12:05,620 --> 01:12:02,929
this non-human intelligence we have zero

1663
01:12:08,680 --> 01:12:05,630
data for that though we have we can't

1664
01:12:11,890 --> 01:12:08,690
even come up with a decent hypothesis

1665
01:12:14,319 --> 01:12:11,900
for how that would work or to separate

1666
01:12:16,299 --> 01:12:14,329
how it would work in this case in that

1667
01:12:19,600 --> 01:12:16,309
case you know it's like when I talked to

1668
01:12:23,140 --> 01:12:19,610
Dean Radin who I have the utmost respect

1669
01:12:26,439 --> 01:12:23,150
for it but he admits himself he's new to

1670
01:12:28,390 --> 01:12:26,449
this whole idea of spiritual realms and

1671
01:12:30,160 --> 01:12:28,400
a year ago if you would have even asked

1672
01:12:31,569 --> 01:12:30,170
him about spirit he would have kind of

1673
01:12:34,390 --> 01:12:31,579
chuckled behind his breath there's no

1674
01:12:36,280 --> 01:12:34,400
such thing so once we enter that realm

1675
01:12:39,459 --> 01:12:36,290
though I'm afraid we're filling the

1676
01:12:41,770 --> 01:12:39,469
vacuum with a bunch of assumptions what

1677
01:12:44,740 --> 01:12:41,780
I think we're I think we're at is at the

1678
01:12:47,379 --> 01:12:44,750
point of acknowledging that this is a

1679
01:12:49,930 --> 01:12:47,389
dimension that we cannot understand

1680
01:12:51,939 --> 01:12:49,940
during Radin is not going to be able to

1681
01:12:54,220 --> 01:12:51,949
pull it back in his lab and measure it

1682
01:12:56,169 --> 01:12:54,230
actually he is he's gonna pull it back

1683
01:12:58,359 --> 01:12:56,179
and measure it in his lab but the

1684
01:13:01,479 --> 01:12:58,369
results he's going to get are all going

1685
01:13:01,919 --> 01:13:01,489
to be highly suspect because we have no

1686
01:13:04,260 --> 01:13:01,929
way

1687
01:13:07,229 --> 01:13:04,270
of understanding the nature of that

1688
01:13:10,560 --> 01:13:07,239
reality and the same thing I don't know

1689
01:13:13,500 --> 01:13:10,570
what how Jesus exists on that other

1690
01:13:17,130 --> 01:13:13,510
dimension but I am not willing to say

1691
01:13:20,010 --> 01:13:17,140
that there isn't that reality or to

1692
01:13:21,419 --> 01:13:20,020
reduce it down and kind of introduce it

1693
01:13:23,520 --> 01:13:21,429
down to a thing of saying well that's

1694
01:13:25,800 --> 01:13:23,530
just the way they appear to kind of

1695
01:13:28,110 --> 01:13:25,810
teach or this or that I don't buy it

1696
01:13:30,660 --> 01:13:28,120
because the other piece of data that I

1697
01:13:32,250 --> 01:13:30,670
do have that comes back but I don't know

1698
01:13:33,720 --> 01:13:32,260
and I'm gonna throw this out because I'd

1699
01:13:36,000 --> 01:13:33,730
be interested to see because this is

1700
01:13:38,430 --> 01:13:36,010
something you just related to near-death

1701
01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:38,440
experience there have you ever heard of

1702
01:13:42,689 --> 01:13:42,010
dr. PMH Atwater as those yes yes yeah

1703
01:13:45,030 --> 01:13:42,699
okay

1704
01:13:47,360 --> 01:13:45,040
important work one of the few people who

1705
01:13:50,370 --> 01:13:47,370
said hey you know what this near-death

1706
01:13:54,209 --> 01:13:50,380
experience transformational spiritual

1707
01:13:56,580 --> 01:13:54,219
experience it ain't all roses and

1708
01:13:59,160 --> 01:13:56,590
rainbows these people go through

1709
01:14:02,520 --> 01:13:59,170
depression they go through alienation

1710
01:14:05,310 --> 01:14:02,530
they go through divorce they have a hard

1711
01:14:07,649 --> 01:14:05,320
time both reconciling their experience

1712
01:14:09,870 --> 01:14:07,659
with their worldly experience but they

1713
01:14:13,740 --> 01:14:09,880
especially have a hard time reconciling

1714
01:14:16,800 --> 01:14:13,750
it with their family in their group now

1715
01:14:20,479 --> 01:14:16,810
you jump over to dr. Jeffrey Martin this

1716
01:14:24,320 --> 01:14:20,489
comprehensive world-changing research on

1717
01:14:27,950 --> 01:14:24,330
non-duality and persistent non-duality

1718
01:14:31,380 --> 01:14:27,960
consciousness you know meditation

1719
01:14:33,840 --> 01:14:31,390
enlightenment for a word same thing

1720
01:14:37,110 --> 01:14:33,850
don't think you're gonna be enlightened

1721
01:14:38,729 --> 01:14:37,120
and you might feel this incredible inner

1722
01:14:40,950 --> 01:14:38,739
peace but don't think it's gonna make

1723
01:14:43,860 --> 01:14:40,960
your life better cuz you're reliable to

1724
01:14:45,630 --> 01:14:43,870
get divorced lose your job lose all your

1725
01:14:48,570 --> 01:14:45,640
friends and all the rest of that because

1726
01:14:51,000 --> 01:14:48,580
they're not on board with it so you know

1727
01:14:53,640 --> 01:14:51,010
there's these what should we enter this

1728
01:14:56,160 --> 01:14:53,650
discussion this important discussion

1729
01:14:58,680 --> 01:14:56,170
that we have to have we have two ways of

1730
01:15:00,630 --> 01:14:58,690
measuring it one is the impact it has on

1731
01:15:02,399 --> 01:15:00,640
us that we can talk about like you're

1732
01:15:04,740 --> 01:15:02,409
going to lose your job you're 50 you're

1733
01:15:05,959 --> 01:15:04,750
50% more likely to get a divorce if you

1734
01:15:07,919 --> 01:15:05,969
have NDE

1735
01:15:09,540 --> 01:15:07,929
transformational experience I don't know

1736
01:15:11,250 --> 01:15:09,550
if that's the exact number but it's kind

1737
01:15:13,020 --> 01:15:11,260
of high and the same thing if you have

1738
01:15:14,910 --> 01:15:13,030
enlightenment experience same thing I

1739
01:15:15,459 --> 01:15:14,920
don't know what it is for it so we can

1740
01:15:17,469 --> 01:15:15,469
measure

1741
01:15:19,779 --> 01:15:17,479
that and we can talk about that but we

1742
01:15:22,209 --> 01:15:19,789
can't talk about people and their

1743
01:15:23,919 --> 01:15:22,219
encounter with Jesus just like we can't

1744
01:15:26,500 --> 01:15:23,929
really talk about their account or with

1745
01:15:28,330 --> 01:15:26,510
the reptilians we just don't know the

1746
01:15:29,529 --> 01:15:28,340
order in nature of that extended

1747
01:15:31,930 --> 01:15:29,539
consciousness realm

1748
01:15:34,239 --> 01:15:31,940
correct correct I agree with everything

1749
01:15:37,209 --> 01:15:34,249
that you've just said same thing happens

1750
01:15:39,549 --> 01:15:37,219
with UFO contact experiences is it's a

1751
01:15:42,219 --> 01:15:39,559
world shattering paradigm of their

1752
01:15:44,739 --> 01:15:42,229
reality and that does affect their

1753
01:15:48,069 --> 01:15:44,749
family relationship their jobs their

1754
01:15:51,129 --> 01:15:48,079
businesses their their worldview but

1755
01:15:53,189 --> 01:15:51,139
what you have is that your being is

1756
01:15:56,020 --> 01:15:53,199
being totally deconstructed and

1757
01:15:58,000 --> 01:15:56,030
reformatted again and because of that

1758
01:16:01,750 --> 01:15:58,010
you lose your friends you might lose a

1759
01:16:04,870 --> 01:16:01,760
spouse or relationship okay but at the

1760
01:16:06,759 --> 01:16:04,880
end of it all you're on your own hero's

1761
01:16:10,450 --> 01:16:06,769
journey it seems like for many

1762
01:16:12,549 --> 01:16:10,460
individuals because you are a you are an

1763
01:16:15,430 --> 01:16:12,559
experiencer you've had these realities

1764
01:16:18,729 --> 01:16:15,440
you cannot deny it okay but there are

1765
01:16:20,859 --> 01:16:18,739
numerous consequences associated but in

1766
01:16:22,839 --> 01:16:20,869
terms of your inner self your inner

1767
01:16:25,149 --> 01:16:22,849
being of who you are there's tremendous

1768
01:16:28,239 --> 01:16:25,159
positive transformation that results

1769
01:16:29,910 --> 01:16:28,249
from that so it's it's it's a dualistic

1770
01:16:32,350 --> 01:16:29,920
process here it's like you're being

1771
01:16:34,959 --> 01:16:32,360
deconstructed but you're being built up

1772
01:16:37,810 --> 01:16:34,969
again and and again it takes time for

1773
01:16:40,600 --> 01:16:37,820
that building up again a process now in

1774
01:16:42,279 --> 01:16:40,610
terms of the nature of the phenomenon my

1775
01:16:44,799 --> 01:16:42,289
perspective and the perspective of many

1776
01:16:48,669 --> 01:16:44,809
members of our board including Edgar and

1777
01:16:51,640 --> 01:16:48,679
Rudy is that we are just starting to

1778
01:16:54,759 --> 01:16:51,650
understand what questions to ask let

1779
01:16:56,589 --> 01:16:54,769
alone what answers okay because we're

1780
01:16:59,080 --> 01:16:56,599
now starting to understand through this

1781
01:17:01,540 --> 01:16:59,090
data and be able to see the contact

1782
01:17:05,410 --> 01:17:01,550
modalities in a more holistic way that

1783
01:17:07,419 --> 01:17:05,420
this is so freakin complex okay because

1784
01:17:08,020 --> 01:17:07,429
we're dealing with multi-dimensional

1785
01:17:10,149 --> 01:17:08,030
realities

1786
01:17:15,029 --> 01:17:10,159
we're dealing with manipulations of

1787
01:17:17,500 --> 01:17:15,039
space-time we're dealing with so many a

1788
01:17:19,719 --> 01:17:17,510
comparative aspects of these phenomenon

1789
01:17:21,339 --> 01:17:19,729
that are so similar we're dealing with

1790
01:17:22,870 --> 01:17:21,349
non-human intelligence we're dealing

1791
01:17:26,200 --> 01:17:22,880
with a whole multitude of non-human

1792
01:17:29,319 --> 01:17:26,210
intelligence that what I remember when

1793
01:17:32,350 --> 01:17:29,329
Jeffrey Mishlove asked Jacques Palais

1794
01:17:34,720 --> 01:17:32,360
35 years ago these complex questions

1795
01:17:36,700 --> 01:17:34,730
Jacque fillet did not directly respond

1796
01:17:39,970 --> 01:17:36,710
to that Misha lofts questions what he

1797
01:17:42,280 --> 01:17:39,980
said you know Jeffrey what what I gather

1798
01:17:45,970 --> 01:17:42,290
is that we just don't understand

1799
01:17:48,819 --> 01:17:45,980
space-time okay alluding to that that

1800
01:17:51,310 --> 01:17:48,829
these for the phenomenon involve a

1801
01:17:53,470 --> 01:17:51,320
manipulation of space-time and we just

1802
01:17:56,530 --> 01:17:53,480
don't understand space-time we don't

1803
01:17:58,930 --> 01:17:56,540
understand multiple realities we don't

1804
01:18:02,560 --> 01:17:58,940
understand whatever this intelligence is

1805
01:18:04,510 --> 01:18:02,570
we still can't get a handle on how it

1806
01:18:07,060 --> 01:18:04,520
interacts with space-time in and

1807
01:18:10,149 --> 01:18:07,070
multi-dimensional you know realities of

1808
01:18:12,850 --> 01:18:10,159
the spirit world you know other

1809
01:18:14,950 --> 01:18:12,860
universes whatever these are all issues

1810
01:18:18,160 --> 01:18:14,960
that we're just starting to understand

1811
01:18:20,080 --> 01:18:18,170
that they exist but we have no we're

1812
01:18:22,479 --> 01:18:20,090
totally clueless as to how it's all put

1813
01:18:24,850 --> 01:18:22,489
together and and it'll take several

1814
01:18:27,459 --> 01:18:24,860
generations because before we get to

1815
01:18:29,649 --> 01:18:27,469
have a better understanding but at least

1816
01:18:32,439 --> 01:18:29,659
what we're doing in our organization and

1817
01:18:34,810 --> 01:18:32,449
our research study is that we are dental

1818
01:18:37,479 --> 01:18:34,820
identifying these aspects these

1819
01:18:39,910 --> 01:18:37,489
questions when before no one was asking

1820
01:18:41,859 --> 01:18:39,920
these questions I mean oh it's not true

1821
01:18:44,140 --> 01:18:41,869
yeah it's like look at nuts and bolts

1822
01:18:45,970 --> 01:18:44,150
ufology there you go to all of these

1823
01:18:48,430 --> 01:18:45,980
major you were phone conferences they're

1824
01:18:51,939 --> 01:18:48,440
still talking about that tongue belong

1825
01:18:54,280 --> 01:18:51,949
group or that the the secret space

1826
01:18:58,149 --> 01:18:54,290
program that man who just retired from

1827
01:19:01,689 --> 01:18:58,159
the the CIA that was in charge of you

1828
01:19:04,359 --> 01:19:01,699
UFO research we're talking about Roswell

1829
01:19:07,689 --> 01:19:04,369
for the five thousand time Rendlesham

1830
01:19:10,750 --> 01:19:07,699
forest oh here's a new videos gonna come

1831
01:19:14,140 --> 01:19:10,760
out of this uh of this jet fighter you

1832
01:19:17,129 --> 01:19:14,150
know so my question is what has that

1833
01:19:21,339 --> 01:19:17,139
paradigm given us in seventy years and

1834
01:19:23,799 --> 01:19:21,349
my response is one is very limited well

1835
01:19:28,689 --> 01:19:23,809
let me ask that question a different way

1836
01:19:32,200 --> 01:19:28,699
who has controlled that the questions

1837
01:19:35,770 --> 01:19:32,210
whose control the the creation of that

1838
01:19:37,990 --> 01:19:35,780
paradigm and the roll out of that and so

1839
01:19:40,479 --> 01:19:38,000
you know I love the way you put that and

1840
01:19:42,870 --> 01:19:40,489
we are totally on the same page ray and

1841
01:19:46,350 --> 01:19:42,880
thank God you were out there on that

1842
01:19:48,270 --> 01:19:46,360
edge doing that work one other way that

1843
01:19:50,190 --> 01:19:48,280
I was just alluding to that I think we

1844
01:19:52,500 --> 01:19:50,200
can't connect this to the real world in

1845
01:19:53,910 --> 01:19:52,510
a way that's important is and I love the

1846
01:19:55,920 --> 01:19:53,920
term conspiracy theory because it

1847
01:19:58,080 --> 01:19:55,930
immediately creates this knee-jerk

1848
01:20:01,140 --> 01:19:58,090
reaction to people when if you go and

1849
01:20:03,960 --> 01:20:01,150
look at who created the term conspiracy

1850
01:20:05,880 --> 01:20:03,970
theory who'd created into this

1851
01:20:08,310 --> 01:20:05,890
derogatory term that anyone who

1852
01:20:13,320 --> 01:20:08,320
questions any kind of authority so you

1853
01:20:16,170 --> 01:20:13,330
know the MIS info dis info aspect of

1854
01:20:19,230 --> 01:20:16,180
this has to be understood the history of

1855
01:20:22,010 --> 01:20:19,240
the UFO movement of the UFO conference

1856
01:20:25,650 --> 01:20:22,020
of the UFO disclosure is a history of

1857
01:20:28,260 --> 01:20:25,660
misinformation and disinformation some

1858
01:20:30,330 --> 01:20:28,270
of its been outed so you know when you

1859
01:20:32,220 --> 01:20:30,340
go to contact in the desert which you're

1860
01:20:33,690 --> 01:20:32,230
doing a presentation end and you're

1861
01:20:36,930 --> 01:20:33,700
doing a presentation at all these other

1862
01:20:38,580 --> 01:20:36,940
high-level UFO conferences fantastic got

1863
01:20:40,800 --> 01:20:38,590
to get that information out there but

1864
01:20:44,580 --> 01:20:40,810
you know there's missing folk diem

1865
01:20:46,470 --> 01:20:44,590
disinfo stuff going on there so how are

1866
01:20:47,700 --> 01:20:46,480
we supposed to and this might be the

1867
01:20:49,470 --> 01:20:47,710
question to wrap it up because you've

1868
01:20:53,580 --> 01:20:49,480
been so generous with your time how do

1869
01:20:56,840 --> 01:20:53,590
we understand that aspect of it and more

1870
01:21:00,450 --> 01:20:56,850
importantly how do you navigate that

1871
01:21:03,870 --> 01:21:00,460
going forward with your research and not

1872
01:21:06,390 --> 01:21:03,880
allow that to be tainted in that way

1873
01:21:08,760 --> 01:21:06,400
driving somebody else's agenda rather

1874
01:21:10,650 --> 01:21:08,770
than the truth agenda which is that what

1875
01:21:13,220 --> 01:21:10,660
I know you're really all about it's a

1876
01:21:16,400 --> 01:21:13,230
that's a very difficult question because

1877
01:21:18,840 --> 01:21:16,410
by nature I'm a very emotional person I

1878
01:21:20,520 --> 01:21:18,850
grew up in New York City in a

1879
01:21:23,940 --> 01:21:20,530
working-class you know neighborhood

1880
01:21:26,820 --> 01:21:23,950
actually right outside New York City in

1881
01:21:28,710 --> 01:21:26,830
West New York New Jersey of a factory

1882
01:21:31,410 --> 01:21:28,720
town working-class neighborhood you had

1883
01:21:33,330 --> 01:21:31,420
a you know you're always questioning

1884
01:21:37,980 --> 01:21:33,340
things and you become your very

1885
01:21:41,550 --> 01:21:37,990
emotional and so for me is extremely

1886
01:21:44,820 --> 01:21:41,560
frustrating because I also utilize those

1887
01:21:47,370 --> 01:21:44,830
terms I used to do it publicly the terms

1888
01:21:51,120 --> 01:21:47,380
misinformation and disinformation now I

1889
01:21:53,430 --> 01:21:51,130
don't do it publicly anymore but I view

1890
01:21:56,790 --> 01:21:53,440
the field of ufology mainstream

1891
01:21:58,169 --> 01:21:56,800
materials as ufology is basically

1892
01:22:00,799 --> 01:21:58,179
I shouldn't be saying it but I'll say

1893
01:22:03,839 --> 01:22:00,809
what the hell as a cesspool of

1894
01:22:06,379 --> 01:22:03,849
misinformation and disinformation and

1895
01:22:09,390 --> 01:22:06,389
what it needs is we need to get some

1896
01:22:11,729 --> 01:22:09,400
disinfectant via academic research on

1897
01:22:14,640 --> 01:22:11,739
this phenomenon which illustrates that

1898
01:22:17,490 --> 01:22:14,650
this phenomenon is so much more complex

1899
01:22:20,520 --> 01:22:17,500
than what any of these material

1900
01:22:23,760 --> 01:22:20,530
rationalist might even speculate it to

1901
01:22:27,000 --> 01:22:23,770
be and it's a long term agenda long term

1902
01:22:29,399 --> 01:22:27,010
goal but I think what we need to be able

1903
01:22:31,799 --> 01:22:29,409
to do is people like yourself like

1904
01:22:33,899 --> 01:22:31,809
Jeffrey Mishlove dr. Bob Davis

1905
01:22:35,819 --> 01:22:33,909
you know Rudy shields Edgar that I just

1906
01:22:38,010 --> 01:22:35,829
passed away and many many other people

1907
01:22:40,709 --> 01:22:38,020
that are interested in this relationship

1908
01:22:43,520 --> 01:22:40,719
between trying to understand what is the

1909
01:22:46,350 --> 01:22:43,530
relationship between consciousness or

1910
01:22:48,060 --> 01:22:46,360
multi-dimensional reality and contact

1911
01:22:50,520 --> 01:22:48,070
with non-human intelligence via the

1912
01:22:52,500 --> 01:22:50,530
contact modalities we don't have any

1913
01:22:55,410 --> 01:22:52,510
answers we're totally clueless as to

1914
01:22:57,330 --> 01:22:55,420
this relationship we all hypothesize and

1915
01:22:59,339 --> 01:22:57,340
speculate that there is that

1916
01:23:01,200 --> 01:22:59,349
relationship there and and that's what

1917
01:23:03,390 --> 01:23:01,210
we need to keep on prying you know for

1918
01:23:05,459 --> 01:23:03,400
the rest of our lives so that the next

1919
01:23:08,040 --> 01:23:05,469
generation will have a much firmer

1920
01:23:10,049 --> 01:23:08,050
firmer foundation than what I

1921
01:23:12,689 --> 01:23:10,059
encountered which is basically you go to

1922
01:23:14,129 --> 01:23:12,699
the internet and you get BS you know and

1923
01:23:16,260 --> 01:23:14,139
you go to these you'll follow follow G

1924
01:23:17,729 --> 01:23:16,270
conferences and when I go to these

1925
01:23:19,560 --> 01:23:17,739
you'll follow G conference I don't

1926
01:23:21,030 --> 01:23:19,570
listen to these lectures Alex

1927
01:23:23,580 --> 01:23:21,040
I basically hang out with the

1928
01:23:25,709 --> 01:23:23,590
experiencers because they have the

1929
01:23:28,680 --> 01:23:25,719
kernel of truth of what really is

1930
01:23:30,870 --> 01:23:28,690
happening the experiencers and I always

1931
01:23:32,819 --> 01:23:30,880
say to everyone I said look don't be

1932
01:23:35,129 --> 01:23:32,829
waiting for disclosure to happen from

1933
01:23:37,049 --> 01:23:35,139
the top down because disclosure is

1934
01:23:39,720 --> 01:23:37,059
happening right now from the bottom up

1935
01:23:42,750 --> 01:23:39,730
from the experiences and I think as long

1936
01:23:46,200 --> 01:23:42,760
as we are able to really be continued to

1937
01:23:48,359 --> 01:23:46,210
educate humanity of this phenomenon and

1938
01:23:51,600 --> 01:23:48,369
to do comparative research studies of

1939
01:23:54,120 --> 01:23:51,610
how our NDEs related to OBEs how they

1940
01:23:55,979 --> 01:23:54,130
related to UFO contact experiences what

1941
01:23:58,379 --> 01:23:55,989
are the similarities with remote viewing

1942
01:24:01,830 --> 01:23:58,389
the people that are seeing ghosts and

1943
01:24:03,899 --> 01:24:01,840
spirits and the channeling how is all of

1944
01:24:06,270 --> 01:24:03,909
this phenomenon interrelated if we

1945
01:24:07,859 --> 01:24:06,280
continue pushing the envelope I think

1946
01:24:09,870 --> 01:24:07,869
it's going to be heading towards a

1947
01:24:11,140 --> 01:24:09,880
better understanding of our reality

1948
01:24:13,990 --> 01:24:11,150
which at this point

1949
01:24:16,300 --> 01:24:14,000
totally clueless no that's maybe an

1950
01:24:19,120 --> 01:24:16,310
awesome way to kind of turn the corner

1951
01:24:21,580 --> 01:24:19,130
this interview rate you have so many

1952
01:24:23,680 --> 01:24:21,590
things going on I mentioned your

1953
01:24:26,380 --> 01:24:23,690
presentation net contact in the desert

1954
01:24:28,930 --> 01:24:26,390
you also have the volume 2 of the book

1955
01:24:31,720 --> 01:24:28,940
coming out other book projects tell

1956
01:24:34,930 --> 01:24:31,730
folks what's coming out right now and

1957
01:24:38,919 --> 01:24:34,940
then how they can stay on top of this

1958
01:24:40,780 --> 01:24:38,929
important stuff ok we have a website and

1959
01:24:45,370 --> 01:24:40,790
the title of the website is

1960
01:24:47,169 --> 01:24:45,380
consciousness and contact dot org my

1961
01:24:51,669 --> 01:24:47,179
email that people want to reach me is

1962
01:24:54,610 --> 01:24:51,679
info at experience org info at

1963
01:24:58,390 --> 01:24:54,620
experienced org we do have available

1964
01:25:00,640 --> 01:24:58,400
chapter one from our first book beyond

1965
01:25:02,229 --> 01:25:00,650
UFOs the science of consciousness in

1966
01:25:04,689 --> 01:25:02,239
contact with non-human intelligence

1967
01:25:07,030 --> 01:25:04,699
chapter one which is over 120 pages

1968
01:25:08,380 --> 01:25:07,040
which is a summary of our statistical

1969
01:25:10,360 --> 01:25:08,390
research study that's free for the

1970
01:25:12,280 --> 01:25:10,370
public we also have several other

1971
01:25:14,649 --> 01:25:12,290
chapters with that we have available for

1972
01:25:17,950 --> 01:25:14,659
free one is a chapter on medical

1973
01:25:20,140 --> 01:25:17,960
healings we identified 50% of the people

1974
01:25:23,380 --> 01:25:20,150
that took our survey have had a medical

1975
01:25:25,780 --> 01:25:23,390
healing and that chapter the analysis of

1976
01:25:28,720 --> 01:25:25,790
that data was written by dr. Joseph

1977
01:25:32,140 --> 01:25:28,730
Burks who I believe you met he's a

1978
01:25:35,200 --> 01:25:32,150
retired emergency room physician and was

1979
01:25:39,220 --> 01:25:35,210
also jointly written by Preston Dennett

1980
01:25:42,790 --> 01:25:39,230
who just came out with a new book on 300

1981
01:25:46,780 --> 01:25:42,800
cases of medical healings by UFO related

1982
01:25:48,820 --> 01:25:46,790
non-human intelligence so it's a valid

1983
01:25:51,040 --> 01:25:48,830
phenomenon fully documented but yet is

1984
01:25:53,020 --> 01:25:51,050
not discussed at these conferences or in

1985
01:25:56,110 --> 01:25:53,030
the field of ufology so that's a

1986
01:25:58,689 --> 01:25:56,120
consciousness in contact or you download

1987
01:26:01,689 --> 01:25:58,699
these chapters as well as the conclusion

1988
01:26:04,180 --> 01:26:01,699
to our chap our book written by the late

1989
01:26:07,570 --> 01:26:04,190
Brad Steiger which is really the father

1990
01:26:09,310 --> 01:26:07,580
of paranormal research for those that

1991
01:26:13,530 --> 01:26:09,320
don't know Brad Steiger he has written

1992
01:26:16,120 --> 01:26:13,540
over goodness 200 books on various

1993
01:26:19,570 --> 01:26:16,130
topics within the paranormal phenomena

1994
01:26:21,010 --> 01:26:19,580
and he passed away right before we

1995
01:26:24,430 --> 01:26:21,020
published our book he actually wrote

1996
01:26:28,030 --> 01:26:24,440
that chapter I believe in hospice care

1997
01:26:31,630 --> 01:26:28,040
and and then we're working on two new

1998
01:26:33,400 --> 01:26:31,640
projects one project is a scientific

1999
01:26:36,700 --> 01:26:33,410
documentary which is going to be

2000
01:26:38,410 --> 01:26:36,710
focusing on the paranormal contact

2001
01:26:40,960 --> 01:26:38,420
modalities and it's going to be

2002
01:26:42,940 --> 01:26:40,970
presenting various scientific theories

2003
01:26:45,610 --> 01:26:42,950
mainly physics theories and some

2004
01:26:49,750 --> 01:26:45,620
psychological theories of other

2005
01:26:52,300 --> 01:26:49,760
paranormal contact modalities and data

2006
01:26:54,120 --> 01:26:52,310
from our research study and commentary

2007
01:26:55,990 --> 01:26:54,130
from many experiences besides

2008
01:26:59,260 --> 01:26:56,000
researchers we're gonna have Raymond

2009
01:27:02,320 --> 01:26:59,270
Moody there Jeffery long dr. Bob Davis

2010
01:27:05,650 --> 01:27:02,330
Jeffrey Mitchell off dr. John Alexander

2011
01:27:06,930 --> 01:27:05,660
and many many many other scientists dr.

2012
01:27:09,850 --> 01:27:06,940
Gary Schwartz

2013
01:27:12,130 --> 01:27:09,860
that we've interviewed for the last two

2014
01:27:14,290 --> 01:27:12,140
years and then the other project is a

2015
01:27:17,460 --> 01:27:14,300
tangental project - the documentary

2016
01:27:19,770 --> 01:27:17,470
which which is a hypothetical book and

2017
01:27:22,000 --> 01:27:19,780
extremely important this book is really

2018
01:27:26,140 --> 01:27:22,010
much more important than our first book

2019
01:27:28,360 --> 01:27:26,150
because what this book is as follows and

2020
01:27:30,310 --> 01:27:28,370
the way this topic was introduced was I

2021
01:27:30,760 --> 01:27:30,320
was having a conversation with dr. John

2022
01:27:35,140 --> 01:27:30,770
clemo

2023
01:27:38,380 --> 01:27:35,150
and John was a tenured professor of

2024
01:27:40,000 --> 01:27:38,390
psychology for 45 years mainly focusing

2025
01:27:43,420 --> 01:27:40,010
on the paranormal he's written books

2026
01:27:45,610 --> 01:27:43,430
about NDEs OBEs his most famous book is

2027
01:27:48,670 --> 01:27:45,620
on channeling he's written numerous

2028
01:27:51,640 --> 01:27:48,680
articles on unconsciousness the

2029
01:27:53,650 --> 01:27:51,650
paranormal I mean this man is an example

2030
01:27:57,040 --> 01:27:53,660
of research on the contact modalities

2031
01:27:59,410 --> 01:27:57,050
and consciousness so john about two

2032
01:28:02,890 --> 01:27:59,420
years ago had surgery for a brain cancer

2033
01:28:04,900 --> 01:28:02,900
and now he's a much much much better but

2034
01:28:07,330 --> 01:28:04,910
when he recovered I asked him I said

2035
01:28:11,110 --> 01:28:07,340
look John you know before you pay you

2036
01:28:14,140 --> 01:28:11,120
you transcend okay I want you to write

2037
01:28:16,170 --> 01:28:14,150
an article on on this thesis question

2038
01:28:20,080 --> 01:28:16,180
what is the relationship between

2039
01:28:22,870 --> 01:28:20,090
consciousness or cosmology and contact

2040
01:28:26,980 --> 01:28:22,880
with non-human intelligence via a

2041
01:28:30,180 --> 01:28:26,990
unified contact modalities okay because

2042
01:28:31,720 --> 01:28:30,190
I had spoken with so many

2043
01:28:34,360 --> 01:28:31,730
parapsychologist so many of the people

2044
01:28:36,130 --> 01:28:34,370
that you have interviewed Dean Radin for

2045
01:28:37,330 --> 01:28:36,140
example is a key example and I would ask

2046
01:28:39,850 --> 01:28:37,340
him I said look Dean

2047
01:28:41,680 --> 01:28:39,860
you know do you suspect that all of

2048
01:28:43,359 --> 01:28:41,690
these paranormal contact modalities

2049
01:28:45,370 --> 01:28:43,369
might be interrelated it says yes

2050
01:28:47,410 --> 01:28:45,380
it says well have you written any

2051
01:28:48,879 --> 01:28:47,420
article on that he says no has anyone

2052
01:28:51,970 --> 01:28:48,889
else written an article I'm not that he

2053
01:28:53,859 --> 01:28:51,980
says not that I know of I said but why

2054
01:28:55,750 --> 01:28:53,869
not since this is the key fundamental

2055
01:28:57,970 --> 01:28:55,760
question we're dealing with and his

2056
01:29:00,430 --> 01:28:57,980
response was that look you know my plate

2057
01:29:03,779 --> 01:29:00,440
is full already dealing with ESP you

2058
01:29:06,850 --> 01:29:03,789
know and uh and and his work on

2059
01:29:10,390 --> 01:29:06,860
precognition and and the work that he's

2060
01:29:12,819 --> 01:29:10,400
been doing at ions for many years his

2061
01:29:15,910 --> 01:29:12,829
plate is full let alone try to introduce

2062
01:29:18,459 --> 01:29:15,920
other complicated topics and I've spoken

2063
01:29:21,600 --> 01:29:18,469
with many many other researchers Stanley

2064
01:29:24,250 --> 01:29:21,610
Christner as well and many many other

2065
01:29:26,589 --> 01:29:24,260
parapsychologists jeffrey Mishlove as

2066
01:29:28,299 --> 01:29:26,599
well so I asked John I said look you

2067
01:29:29,919 --> 01:29:28,309
know would it be possible for you to

2068
01:29:31,660 --> 01:29:29,929
write an article that would be a

2069
01:29:33,520 --> 01:29:31,670
hypothetical article a speculative

2070
01:29:35,919 --> 01:29:33,530
article as to what the hell is in your

2071
01:29:38,260 --> 01:29:35,929
brain what is your best hypothesis as

2072
01:29:40,990 --> 01:29:38,270
what the hell is going on okay and he

2073
01:29:43,689 --> 01:29:41,000
agreed to so then immediately said what

2074
01:29:46,149 --> 01:29:43,699
am i limiting it just a John why don't I

2075
01:29:48,669 --> 01:29:46,159
ask it to Bob Davis why don't I ask it

2076
01:29:53,470 --> 01:29:48,679
to you why don't I ask it to Jean Dean

2077
01:29:55,959 --> 01:29:53,480
Radin Jeffery long Raymond moody you

2078
01:29:59,350 --> 01:29:55,969
know so many of these people involved in

2079
01:30:01,270 --> 01:29:59,360
these paranormal experiences ask them a

2080
01:30:04,839 --> 01:30:01,280
question I said can you write a chapter

2081
01:30:06,729 --> 01:30:04,849
which is a speculative chapter what is

2082
01:30:09,129 --> 01:30:06,739
your best guess of how all of this is

2083
01:30:11,200 --> 01:30:09,139
interrelated how its put together you

2084
01:30:12,669 --> 01:30:11,210
know well and again very important the

2085
01:30:14,939 --> 01:30:12,679
thesis statement what is the

2086
01:30:18,120 --> 01:30:14,949
relationship between consciousness or

2087
01:30:21,339 --> 01:30:18,130
cosmology and contact with non-human

2088
01:30:23,859 --> 01:30:21,349
intelligence via a unified paranormal

2089
01:30:25,779 --> 01:30:23,869
contact modalities Rudy's writing an

2090
01:30:29,589 --> 01:30:25,789
article for it and so many other people

2091
01:30:31,629 --> 01:30:29,599
and and and so I believe that that book

2092
01:30:34,000 --> 01:30:31,639
is going to be extremely important

2093
01:30:37,029 --> 01:30:34,010
because you're going to be getting the

2094
01:30:38,859 --> 01:30:37,039
hypothesis the best hypotheses of these

2095
01:30:41,410 --> 01:30:38,869
great minds that have been working on

2096
01:30:44,049 --> 01:30:41,420
this central thematic topic question

2097
01:30:45,819 --> 01:30:44,059
most for over 30 years so it's like

2098
01:30:47,560 --> 01:30:45,829
getting all right Dean what is your best

2099
01:30:50,560 --> 01:30:47,570
shot as to what the hell is going on and

2100
01:30:50,839 --> 01:30:50,570
and that is due in the spring do it beep

2101
01:30:54,560 --> 01:30:50,849
oh

2102
01:30:57,409 --> 01:30:54,570
in the spring of 2020 and it's going to

2103
01:31:00,109 --> 01:30:57,419
be an extremely important book and and

2104
01:31:04,099 --> 01:31:00,119
what I tell everyone we are establishing

2105
01:31:07,279 --> 01:31:04,109
a new paradigm a new paradigm of reality

2106
01:31:09,020 --> 01:31:07,289
okay and the beginning very few people

2107
01:31:11,449 --> 01:31:09,030
are going to understand it it's going to

2108
01:31:15,229 --> 01:31:11,459
be totally dismissed certainly by the

2109
01:31:19,580 --> 01:31:15,239
field of mainstream ufology most of

2110
01:31:21,979 --> 01:31:19,590
mainstream NDE experiencers uh certainly

2111
01:31:24,830 --> 01:31:21,989
the consciousness study scholars etc etc

2112
01:31:26,509 --> 01:31:24,840
etc but what it's going to do is it's

2113
01:31:29,290 --> 01:31:26,519
going to establish a baseline for future

2114
01:31:31,279 --> 01:31:29,300
discussions over multiple generations

2115
01:31:36,500 --> 01:31:31,289
because we're establishing a new

2116
01:31:37,969 --> 01:31:36,510
paradigm well that is absolutely sounds

2117
01:31:39,919 --> 01:31:37,979
like the right thing at the right time

2118
01:31:43,129 --> 01:31:39,929
I'm not surprised

2119
01:31:46,580 --> 01:31:43,139
and if there's anyone who can bravely

2120
01:31:48,649 --> 01:31:46,590
launch into a new paradigm it's you mr.

2121
01:31:50,719 --> 01:31:48,659
ray Hernandez you've just done such an

2122
01:31:52,389 --> 01:31:50,729
incredible work we could go on and on

2123
01:31:54,889 --> 01:31:52,399
and we've had some great off air

2124
01:31:57,379 --> 01:31:54,899
conversations as well I think your work

2125
01:31:58,790 --> 01:31:57,389
is tremendous but your energy that you

2126
01:32:01,009 --> 01:31:58,800
put behind this in the bravery that

2127
01:32:03,259 --> 01:32:01,019
you've shown and kind of launching into

2128
01:32:04,489 --> 01:32:03,269
this is just truly amazing is there

2129
01:32:07,219 --> 01:32:04,499
anything else we need to talk about

2130
01:32:09,799 --> 01:32:07,229
before I let you go get on with your

2131
01:32:12,859 --> 01:32:09,809
normal life well I just want to thank

2132
01:32:15,619 --> 01:32:12,869
you personally Alex because when I first

2133
01:32:17,869 --> 01:32:15,629
had my conversation with you I was still

2134
01:32:20,179 --> 01:32:17,879
traumatized by all of these experiences

2135
01:32:25,099 --> 01:32:20,189
I I'm sure you probably knew at that

2136
01:32:26,899 --> 01:32:25,109
time talking to me I was literally in in

2137
01:32:30,739 --> 01:32:26,909
the middle of an ontological shock of

2138
01:32:33,109 --> 01:32:30,749
dealing with this reality and once I

2139
01:32:35,089 --> 01:32:33,119
managed to get a better understanding of

2140
01:32:36,830 --> 01:32:35,099
this phenomenon that indeed it was

2141
01:32:39,279 --> 01:32:36,840
consciousness base and that

2142
01:32:42,290 --> 01:32:39,289
consciousness was the key to all of this

2143
01:32:44,060 --> 01:32:42,300
and we can have a much more additional

2144
01:32:46,699 --> 01:32:44,070
discussion later on in this topic of

2145
01:32:50,299 --> 01:32:46,709
consciousness which we fully fully get

2146
01:32:53,089 --> 01:32:50,309
into but you were one of the people that

2147
01:32:55,549 --> 01:32:53,099
I turn to that really helped me out to

2148
01:32:57,529 --> 01:32:55,559
edge to educate me so I want to tell all

2149
01:33:00,349 --> 01:32:57,539
the audience members out there that are

2150
01:33:02,869 --> 01:33:00,359
indeed are interested in the paranormal

2151
01:33:04,370 --> 01:33:02,879
contact modalities and its relationship

2152
01:33:06,890 --> 01:33:04,380
with consciousness

2153
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to keep on tuning in to your podcast

2154
01:33:10,729 --> 01:33:09,360
because they're so extremely informative

2155
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and I just want to thank you

2156
01:33:15,709 --> 01:33:13,830
that's a nice array I appreciate it you

2157
01:33:18,680 --> 01:33:15,719
know I think even though I'm not an

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experiencer in the sense that UFO

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experiences or non-human contact

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01:33:25,610 --> 01:33:23,699
experience although I don't know about

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01:33:28,310 --> 01:33:25,620
that you know there's a certain

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connection that we all have of that

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feeling of feeling a little less

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alienated when someone does reach out

2165
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and I remember when you reached out to

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01:33:39,379 --> 01:33:37,110
me that wasn't my thought my thought was

2167
01:33:42,709 --> 01:33:39,389
hey terrific man there's somebody else

2168
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who's in the process of going through

2169
01:33:47,479 --> 01:33:44,670
this waking up transformational thing

2170
01:33:49,850 --> 01:33:47,489
and he seems like such a credible cool

2171
01:33:52,459 --> 01:33:49,860
guy I want to connect and talk to this

2172
01:33:54,260 --> 01:33:52,469
guy so that's why I'd encourage anyone

2173
01:33:58,610 --> 01:33:54,270
who's out there who has a similar kind

2174
01:34:00,410 --> 01:33:58,620
of experience you have made it easier

2175
01:34:02,959 --> 01:34:00,420
hopefully I've made it easier too but

2176
01:34:05,300 --> 01:34:02,969
you've taken that a giant step forward

2177
01:34:08,840 --> 01:34:05,310
and take terms of making it easier for

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01:34:10,280 --> 01:34:08,850
people to we hate to say advance but

2179
01:34:11,060 --> 01:34:10,290
that's what you're saying and that's

2180
01:34:12,860 --> 01:34:11,070
what I'm saying

2181
01:34:14,570 --> 01:34:12,870
you know this is the hero's journey like

2182
01:34:16,879 --> 01:34:14,580
you're saying and we're just all trying

2183
01:34:18,590 --> 01:34:16,889
to help each other on that journey know

2184
01:34:21,220 --> 01:34:18,600
stuff Lee I'm thank you Alex

2185
01:34:24,050 --> 01:34:21,230
take care of my friend god bless you

2186
01:34:26,540 --> 01:34:24,060
thanks again to Ray Hernandez soon to be

2187
01:34:30,169 --> 01:34:26,550
dr. ray Hernandez this guy you believe

2188
01:34:33,800 --> 01:34:30,179
it or not he's working on a PhD from

2189
01:34:36,470 --> 01:34:33,810
Berkeley to go along with his master's

2190
01:34:39,470 --> 01:34:36,480
degree from Cornell and his Juris

2191
01:34:43,340 --> 01:34:39,480
Doctorate he's practicing lawyer this is

2192
01:34:45,410 --> 01:34:43,350
one smart guy and a hard-working guy

2193
01:34:48,919 --> 01:34:45,420
who's put an incredible amount of effort

2194
01:34:52,129 --> 01:34:48,929
into this very very important work I

2195
01:34:54,890 --> 01:34:52,139
can't emphasize enough how significant

2196
01:34:58,220 --> 01:34:54,900
this contribution is to our overall

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understanding of what I keep calling the

2198
01:35:02,570 --> 01:35:00,120
extended consciousness realm or we could

2199
01:35:04,879 --> 01:35:02,580
just call consciousness if we want so

2200
01:35:08,000 --> 01:35:04,889
the question that falls out of that is a

2201
01:35:10,100 --> 01:35:08,010
natural one and it's a big one what does

2202
01:35:13,189 --> 01:35:10,110
ET have to do with our understanding of

2203
01:35:15,260 --> 01:35:13,199
human consciousness and wow there's so

2204
01:35:17,299 --> 01:35:15,270
many ways to take that and I'm tempted

2205
01:35:19,939 --> 01:35:17,309
to jump in there and out

2206
01:35:23,870 --> 01:35:19,949
but I'm not going to do that um and I'll

2207
01:35:25,790 --> 01:35:23,880
leave that for you and I hope you take a

2208
01:35:29,839 --> 01:35:25,800
stab at it and if you want to share that

2209
01:35:31,850 --> 01:35:29,849
with me skeptical forum is where I hang

2210
01:35:34,549 --> 01:35:31,860
out with folks and chat about these

2211
01:35:37,069 --> 01:35:34,559
ideas so you can find me over there of

2212
01:35:39,529 --> 01:35:37,079
course you can always email me or try

2213
01:35:42,669 --> 01:35:39,539
and track me down on Facebook or however

2214
01:35:45,890 --> 01:35:42,679
I just always emphasize that I enjoy

2215
01:35:49,160 --> 01:35:45,900
connecting with people who connect with

2216
01:35:53,450 --> 01:35:49,170
this show so if that's you take the leap

2217
01:35:55,040 --> 01:35:53,460
and reach out and I will reach back be

2218
01:35:58,669 --> 01:35:55,050
sure to check out the skeptical website

2219
01:36:02,000 --> 01:35:58,679
over 400 shows all they're available for

2220
01:36:05,180 --> 01:36:02,010
you to download for free you can follow

2221
01:36:07,580 --> 01:36:05,190
my entire journey over however many

2222
01:36:10,189 --> 01:36:07,590
years it's been through all these

2223
01:36:12,410 --> 01:36:10,199
interviews on these deep questions of

2224
01:36:15,410 --> 01:36:12,420
who are we why are we here and what does

2225
01:36:18,260 --> 01:36:15,420
this thing called consciousness have to

2226
01:36:22,010 --> 01:36:18,270
do with it all please check it out and

2227
01:36:23,730 --> 01:36:22,020
until next time take care and bye for

2228
01:36:39,339 --> 01:36:23,740
now

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[Music]

2230
01:36:44,000 --> 01:36:42,150
so thanks for watching this video if it

2231
01:36:46,580 --> 01:36:44,010
wasn't really a video but just an audio

2232
01:36:48,140 --> 01:36:46,590
stored as a video I apologize but

2233
01:36:50,089 --> 01:36:48,150
there's more videos out there as well

2234
01:36:51,950 --> 01:36:50,099
but please check out the skeptic Oh

2235
01:36:53,300 --> 01:36:51,960
website you can see it here we cover a

2236
01:36:56,120 --> 01:36:53,310
lot of different stuff you might be

2237
01:36:59,450 --> 01:36:56,130
interested in relating to controversial

2238
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science and spirituality a lot of shows

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up there over 350 of them are so all

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free all available for downloads so do